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this spoke radio for the masses yeah man

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it's Monday November 27 331 days into

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the new year just 34 days left that's

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right and we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening listening all around the world

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for the for the game-changer Network

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than K G RA the planet and KJ CR I am

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your host Amy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing ah yeah back in

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the chair seems like a month of Sundays

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happen like

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four days off I hope you guys had a

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great weekend and a great Thanksgiving

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and you know got a chance to hang out

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with friends and family and and all that

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stuff the update for us is that dinner

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was perfect and yes we ended up

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deep-frying the turkey and I've got to

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say I'm gonna go official right now

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that's the only way to go deep fried

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bird oh my goodness

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unbelievable how good that was and his

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funny we were talking about that last

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week on the show and then you know what

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surprise surprise we ended up by

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deep-frying the turkey and everything on

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our plates was perfect it was just a

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great evening with family and I hope you

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guys all did the same now here we go

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did you guys go out and do Black Friday

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well we did while we attempted I should

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say we attempted did a couple of things

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we had to go and just driving if you

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were driving in the valley and you were

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anywhere close to a shopping mall it was

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gridlock and so we went through that and

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I'll tell you something funny so then we

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had a list of stuff that we needed to

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get you know yeah it's just a backup

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drives and and some other stuff and and

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so we went by fries okay didn't seem

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that bad I mean the parking lot was full

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but it didn't seem that bad so we go in

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and we got all of the you know because

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we're in the business man we're in the

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media business so we're there getting

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stuff that we just needed for the bunker

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weekend and do stuff and so we fill up

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the shopping cart and then we're walking

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through fries and and we're looking at

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the line which I thought you know came

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cash registers there and and that you

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area and then come across the store

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we're following the line the line went

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to the left and and and and headed out

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to the other side of the store and fries

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is huge right and then looped around and

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hundred yards all the way to the other

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side of the store into the corner and

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word tribunal pushing the shopping cart

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new to do and and read his like that's

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it we're blowing this popsicle stand

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like honey let's give this a chance ugh

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the store into the corner now it's

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guy and ice is this the end of the line

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Ritu goes that's it that's it I said

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honey let's just wait for you know let's

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give it like 30 minutes let's see how

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store all of this stuff man the booty

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you know the treasure and I turn to the

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dude with the balloon and I pushed him

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the shopping cart that said Radha here

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that we left was our Black Friday so

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there you go so we ended up we blow out

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Burbank and we got to dinner we were

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Ranch great restaurant and we sat down

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we ordered food and we ended up we took

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everything we doubled our order ribs and

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and just told the waitress pack it all

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up into bags we're gonna blow out of

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here and we just went over and hung out

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with family all night and ate ribs again

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a second night in a row this is the

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night after Thanksgiving and just had a

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relaxing night and that was we didn't go

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to the movies and that was just like how

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our weekend was and we just kicked back

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and just had fun all weekend so I hope

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you guys did the same thing I can't even

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believe it's been it was five days ago

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that we were last on the show we have

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never had the opportunity to take four

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days off like that but we did and man

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bushy-tailed and bright-eyed man all

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ready to go we've got an amazing week

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lined up on the show three first-time

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guests again and I posted last week and

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I really mean this we have done 760

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shows 760 and it is a full time job to

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go and find intriguing interesting the

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best the brightest guest and and and and

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try to introduce fresh stuff you know to

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you the audience because that's what's

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most important you know to to find

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knowledge you know and and and get that

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fresh stuff here all of the you know the

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eight you know all of those great

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researchers and names that we know and

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love over the yeah great great fun

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interviews fun night fun evenings and

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we've done a lot of that but for me for

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me having three first-time guests or any

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first-time guest on the show is what's

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most important because even back in the

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day when when I was a kid you know

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and you know coast to coast 20 years ago

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having guest on the show that I've never

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heard of before those were the evenings

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that I look forward to the most sure you

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or or things like that that's all great

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but having a first-time guest that's

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where my attention was just focused and

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that's what we've got again this week

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tonight chance Gardner is here he's

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director of the magical Egypt series

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that I have talked about on this show so

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many times and now tonight we have

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champs on the show so I'm like a kid in

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a candy store chances with us and

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we're gonna talk about magical Egypt 1

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into the new series is out we have been

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watching it highly recommended it's

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absolutely amazing we'll be talking

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about that tonight but how cool is that

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chance gardeners with this tomorrow

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night Alexis Brooks is here now Alexis

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we became friends with Alexis I'd have

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to ask Ritu this but I'm gonna guess and

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say we met Alexis three years ago the

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chance meeting by the way Rita and I and

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Alexis and and we just became friends

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right over the years and we've just

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never had the chance she's always busy

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and writing and doing her own show and

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the show but we did this week we finally

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right now she's so busy we we've been

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trying to book Alexis for the last three

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months tonight's the night so we finally

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have Alexis or tomorrow night's the

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night we finally have Alexis ear and

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first time gasps right and then

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Wednesday R is Burke is here R is Burke

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is a an extremely successful Silicon

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Valley entrepreneur and author of the

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treasure hunt and he has been on the

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front of not only perusing films and

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products and software in Silicon Valley

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but he has a firm invested interest into

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the supernatural and everything that is

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involved with it from UFOs to near-death

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experiences and and the supernatural and

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awakening all of that and this is a guy

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gonna be dealing with not only the

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paranormal and the supernatural on

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Wednesday but we're going to talk about

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the treasure hunt his book and it's

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gonna come from a side that you're not

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Riz has over the years and some of the

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and the internet and technology that he

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it's gonna blow your mind

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and so that is Wednesday on the show

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Thursday is gonna be another fader night

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with of course Jon Rappoport and open

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lines all night long you can follow me

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everything is fade to black

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Jimmy Church radio ok if you want to

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hang out with us in the sandbox on

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the chat rooms are open

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over at Spreaker and kgr a the planet

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George radio.com alright now a couple of

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the website our new news section and we

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finally got it up and running today it's

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fully functional so you can go and check

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it out and all you have to do is just

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just go to Jim maturity or calm at the

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top of the page click on news but this

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is pretty exciting now the reason why

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it's exciting is we have the opportunity

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here to to cover not only the paranormal

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supernatural and awakening and science

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and UFOs and Technology and everything

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that interests us but it's a chance for

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us to vet the news sources and make sure

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that what we present to you is is cool

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alright there isn't going to be anything

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that is depressing or none of that no no

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no no no hopefully you're gonna enjoy

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all of it maybe just go to the news

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section over to me Church radio.com

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alright now we are going to keep this

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updated 24/7 and I and and keep it fresh

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but this is a very big deal for us so

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spend some time over there every single

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day I'm hoping and this is a Rita

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myself our goal is that you know what

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every day you're brewing your coffee

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you're getting your day started and this

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is where I want you to go okay I just

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want you to just just just go straight

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there and and and start your day alright

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maybe at night you know you're you get

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home you're ease in the bed and you're

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you know fade to black and and you're

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going head to the news section okay

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that's that's what that's our desire

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that it is your your place to go okay so

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a lot of work has been put into it I

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want to thank of course Rita for for

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doing everything and Andrew for putting

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up with us okay but it is all there and

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up and running and functional alright

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here we are on 1127 okay we're at the

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end of November and I've been talking

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about this all month

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what happened to the 15 days of darkness

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people the 15 days of darkness that was

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supposed to be here the prophecy right

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the rumors and of course it wasn't gonna

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happen but people bought into it and

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about I'm gonna say three weeks ago

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because we're three days away from the

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end of it

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November 30th but about three weeks ago

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I started getting email all out of it

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amen

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you haven't been talking about the 15

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days what do you think about this 15 day

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you know are you concerned about it you

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know that it's it's all over the place

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you know and I'm kind of freaking out

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and it's like man people people buy into

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things and it's not that they are

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gullible okay if that's not even the

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point it's that some of this stuff is

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effectively written and when you go and

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you read something that says NASA has

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provided the White House with a 1,000

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page top-secret document and this is

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gonna happen if this is gonna happen and

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that's it man we're gonna be you know

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and and and it looks legit

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and I can't blame some that that gets

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sucked into it but I've been diffusing

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this and laughing about it I don't want

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to laugh about the day I'm laughing

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about the the the reality of do you know

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what it would take to have fifteen days

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of darkness I mean on a serious ten cent

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tip so here we are

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it's November 27th and no no darkness

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did I sleep through the 15 days of

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darkness that is funny so there you go

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man we got three days left I'm gonna

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bring it up on the 30th okay which is

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also let's not forget there's three days

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left to enter our the next late-night

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podcast contest okay the late-night

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podcast star the next host there is just

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three days left now we've had a lot of

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entries over the last few days I realize

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that it takes a lot of work to put this

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together but there's just three days

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left okay so if you are procrastinating

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we are not accepting anything after the

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30th midnight 30th that is the drop-dead

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date you send us something in the 31st

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it ain't gonna happen okay so don't

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blame anybody but yourself if you don't

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get in by November 30th okay now it's

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very simple go over to Jimmy Church

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radio.com click on game-changer all of

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the rules and how to enter are right

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there and it's nice and clear we need

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three things we need an audio recording

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of your podcast show idea we need the

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the logo in banner form that you would

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use for your website or promotion it's

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that simple okay

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November 30th three days left and the

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competition is stiff I want to thank

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everybody the grand prize is a tascam

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all right where am I our next event by

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know I was

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did I mention this last week because I

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was thinking about it maybe I didn't but

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in new mana if I was new mana I'm gonna

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speak to new mana I would do a

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Thanksgiving dinner that's what I would

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do if I was new mana I would have

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everything you know look the the lights

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go out electricity is out it's an

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emergency maybe there's flood want wet

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it whatever earthquake and you're with

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the family lights are out for a couple

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of days and wouldn't it be cool if you

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could just turn to your kids your wife

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and go you know what tonight

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it's turkey and all the trimmings

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without some cranberry some mashed

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potatoes some green beans and some

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turkey and you're able to just do I

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think they should do a turkey dinner I

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really really do no matter food storage

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alright let's get this show crackin

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happy birthday to today a very talented

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gentleman Slash's frontman Myles Kennedy

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is 48 years old and Myles has got some

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pipes

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that's right all right happy birthday

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Myles our dead guys birthdays today are

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Bruce Lee 1940 1973 died at the age of

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32 best known for you know Enter the

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Dragon the Big Boss Fist of Fury the way

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of the Dragon I'll watch them all the

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time we have we have the DVD collection

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of all of the Bruce Lee stuff we have it

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both in English and the original Chinese

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I like the original Chinese that's just

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me I don't speak Chinese don't have to

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happy birthday Bruce Lee on July 20th

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1973 he complained of a headache and

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went to lie down for a nap and then when

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he didn't come down for dinner friends

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were unable to wake him up they went up

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and checked out him a doctor was called

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who spent 10 minutes attempting to

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revive Bruce before sending him by

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ambulance to a hospital by the time he

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arrived he had passed away

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happy birthday Bruce also on this day

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Jimi Hendrix 1942 to 1970 died at the

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age of 27 guitar god who's 1967 album

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are you experienced won seven Grammy

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Awards and is widely considered by

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myself and others to be one of the

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greatest rock albums of all time

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and he think about it right Purple Haze

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hey Joe crosstown traffic little wing

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right the wind cries Mary he changed the

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world

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seriously happy birthday Jimmy on this

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day in history

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oh TD 2005 you may not know about this

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but check this out

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Errol Smith and fitty cent not you know

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fitty Aerosmith and fitty cent headlined

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a 10 million dollar baat Mitzvah of Long

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Island 13-year old Elizabeth Brooks

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seriously think about that for a second

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fader fact in Wisconsin this is a fact

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in Wisconsin the word people most often

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Google for how to spell is Wisconsin and

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that is a fader fact alright tonight

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chance gardeners here he's director of

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the magical Egypt series 1 & 2 he'll be

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with us here in a few short moments he's

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actually in Australia so it's going to

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be live from Australia tomorrow night

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Alexis Brooks is here Wednesday night

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Riz Burke Thursday night is another

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Fator night with Jon Rappoport all right

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now one of the things that is posted

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over on in our new news section that's

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so cool to say new news right in our new

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news section is an article that has

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escaped the mass media over here in the

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United States but we posted it and

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apparently living bacteria has been

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found on the surface of the

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International Space Station on the

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outside

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now they might have extraterrestrial

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origins now this is according to russian

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cosmonaut anton sokolov and he said that

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the microorganisms will be studied

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further on earth say what now what was

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that movie with Ryan Reynolds man you

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know on the ISS came out a couple of

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months ago read and I just watched that

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very similar situation because that was

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bacteria that was also found I believe

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on the outside of the ISS they bring in

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on board they grow it and the next thing

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you know everybody's being eaten alive

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now

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SCAP la Reve is an ISS expedition flight

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engineer who will take his third trip to

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the ISS in December as part of the

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expedition 54 crew he said that the

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scientists found the living bacteria

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while they were taking samples from the

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surface of the station now speaking to

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the Russian media outlet TAS he said

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that the microorganisms might have come

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from outer space dum-dum-dum now I'm

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quoting here bacteria that had not been

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there during the launch of the ISS

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module were found on swabs so they have

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flew from somewhere in space and settled

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on the outside of the hull now he said

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that the some of the microorganisms have

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also appeared from Earth and they

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survived in a vacuum and differences in

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temperature from - on or 50 degrees to a

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hundred and fifty degrees Celsius these

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bacteria accidentally entered outer

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space during the test and be or esc'

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missions in which special pads are

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installed on the ISS hull and left there

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for several years to determine how the

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material is affected by conditions in

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space

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however traces of bacteria or

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originating on earth from Madagascar and

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plankton from the Barents Sea were

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earlier found to

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a test Experion Experion in May

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scientists explained then that they had

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got their due to the ionosphere lifts a

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phenomenon in which substances from our

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planet's surface rise to the upper

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atmosphere and now they are saying that

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they are gonna change that level from 20

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kilometers to now 400 okay

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oh I get that but let's back up here for

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a second they are suggesting that they

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have taken bacteria from the outside of

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the hull of the space station of ISS and

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brought it back to earth they said that

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saw what happened to Ryan Reynolds in

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but if it proves to be from space it'll

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be the first aliens here officially on

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planet Earth how cool is that

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this is fade to black I'm Errol should

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be Church our guest tonight director of

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magical Egypt the series chance

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gardeners here live from Australia I'm

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy cherub

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radio.com what up this is combat and we

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listen in the Jimmy Church radio

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all right welcome back fade to black

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it's Monday back in the chair I am your

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host Jimmy Church follow me on twitter

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at JD oh you can follow chance at

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magical egypt all the links are up there

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in twitter right now welcome everybody

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chance Gardner is a multi award-winning

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graphic designers of 3d animator

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cinematographer and editor now after a

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20-year career producing motion picture

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graphics and on-air promotions for major

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TV networks including 20th Century Fox

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Paramount Studios NBC Universal he

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retired from television in 2001 to make

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documentaries his first documentary

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magical Egypt became a cult classic and

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is still in wide circulation around the

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world now after 15 years Gardner has

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returned to the magical Egypt project

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who produced the much-anticipated

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magical Egypt series 2 which features

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everybody from the original magical

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Egypt plus a new generation of

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researchers and unorthodox thinkers all

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united by a common fascination with the

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unexplained mysteries of the past

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tonight we're gonna talk about the

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making of magical Egypt 1 into loss

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history civilizations are symbolism and

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what makes Egypt the most important

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piece of the puzzle that is still lost

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and I would like to welcome for the

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first time to fade to black

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live from Australia by the way chance

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gardener chance good evening good

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morning good afternoon

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hey Jimmy thank you what time is it

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there said God 134 p.m. so your your

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you're fresh you're good I'm fresh and

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I'm a full of myself after hearing that

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introduction that way more interesting

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than I really am well you know what's

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interesting here is when we have

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somebody from Europe because we're like

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you know it's always like 4:30 in the

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morning you know and we have to drag

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them out of bed but you you're ready to

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go and that's why I love but this is the

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thing you are a day ahead so you

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actually can tell us the future watch

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out for that tidal wave

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yeah whoa played well played well your

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first time guess so you get the first

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time guest disclaimer the next time

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you're on the show you don't get it but

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you get the first time guest disclaimer

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tonight which is this it's just you and

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I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we are gonna end as

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friends there you go awesome are you

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ready to love that I'm ready

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alright now this is this is the deal and

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you and I talked about this a little bit

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earlier today but I the first time that

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I watched maybe it was the trailer of

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magical Egypt 1 and and I'm like I'm

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getting all tensed up I'm like oh man

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this is gonna be good stuff and then

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Joss John Anthony West turns and looks

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into the camera and just gives this

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glare oh holy crap this is gonna be good

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and it was a game-changer but did you

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expect the the game-changing things that

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happened with magical Egypt do I you

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know and as a director and editor you

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hope for things but did you did you

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think that all of this was gonna happen

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well the show with universally hated

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when we first did it the network's

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wouldn't have anything to do with it and

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it seemed at the time like it was a

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giant face flop but I'd always known you

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know John such a special character and

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00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:30,000
this subject is so magnetic and the

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project was always this sort of pet

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project for me so I would never listen

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to anybody and I didn't follow any of

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the rules of traditional television and

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I was working at Fox at the time when it

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started and this brand new thing had

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happened cops it's not nothing

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remarkable nowadays but it was a kind of

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a paradigm change because it was the

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first time you saw a TV show that wasn't

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using tripods and the cameraman were

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just started running around after cops

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and criminals and it gave it this alive

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and frenetic kind of feeling and it gave

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00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:00,540
you this sense of involvement and I also

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00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:02,339
you know growing up I think you and I

728
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:03,500
are about the same age and

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00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:05,090
a big part of our lives was this

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00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:07,220
explosion of punk-rock music where all

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of a sudden the musicians and artists

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stopped paying attention to the old

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rules and it was just startling that you

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know something could come along that had

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such a disregard for the old

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institutions and and so there was just

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so much about magical Egypt that wasn't

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concerned about Orthodox forums and you

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know the other thing that I think we

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talked about briefly at the time when

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magical Egypt came out it was just the

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de facto formula that whatever odd or

743
00:36:36,370 --> 00:36:34,520
unusual idea that you'd put forward you

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00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:36,380
have to have some pedantic angry person

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00:36:41,290 --> 00:36:38,810
to rebut it you know you had to have

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both sides represented and that was the

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first thing that I decided I wasn't

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00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:44,720
interested in because the people that

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you know line up to debunk this which is

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00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:48,800
most people you know a lot of people out

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00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:50,390
there consider themselves armchair

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00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:52,220
experts about this stuff and I'd

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00:36:56,350 --> 00:36:53,690
realized that I just I hated what they

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00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:56,360
did for momentum and a huge part of

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00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:57,710
magical Egyptian the thing I think that

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00:37:02,140 --> 00:36:59,450
gave it its magnetism and its resonance

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00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:02,150
was I am and I assume you are and I know

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00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,750
a lot of people out there have this idea

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00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:07,520
have this understanding if you just look

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00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:09,050
at Egypt it tells you this thing about

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00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:10,850
itself and then you go to authorities

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00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,350
and say wow I just saw this cool thing

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00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:13,520
and the authorities we're all going no

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00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:14,870
you didn't you didn't see that that's

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00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:17,270
not there and so for myself and for

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00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:19,490
everybody like me I just wanted to do

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something that validates those people

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00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:23,660
that were smart enough to observe the

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riddle that Egypt presents and so and as

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00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:30,830
it turns out that was one of those

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00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:32,510
things an idea whose time has come and

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00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,280
speaking of tidal waves you know that I

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00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:37,040
think we're firmly in the aftermath of

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that radical shift in you know

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00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:42,140
collective belief about our past the

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00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:44,930
other thing and we're gonna get into

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00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:49,280
this heavily tonight is the especially

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00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:53,150
with series 1 series 2 takes graphics

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and and technology to another level but

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00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:01,010
going back to 2001 you framed and shot

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this with an artistic side that was just

782
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:08,420
absolutely amazing and well that had

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00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:09,890
never been done before when it came to

784
00:38:15,610 --> 00:38:12,830
Egypt it was always an afterthought and

785
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:15,620
it wasn't presented that way was that

786
00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:17,310
done within and 10

787
00:38:22,859 --> 00:38:20,740
it was sort of a byproduct when I worked

788
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:22,869
at Fox it on-air promo for a long time

789
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:24,970
and I had you know these fantastically

790
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,230
competent team some of the best people

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00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:28,480
in television cameramen would go out and

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00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:30,970
shoot and because my core education was

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00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:32,530
in graphic design and especially because

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00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:35,290
I'm just fanatical about divine

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00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:37,540
proportions and the magic of geometry I

796
00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:39,670
had these ideas about composition and

797
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:40,990
rather than trying to work through

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00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:43,210
cameramen it was way easier for me to

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00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:45,160
learn how to use a camera than to teach

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a camera man about sacred geometry and

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00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:49,300
the laws of composition so it was part

802
00:38:52,650 --> 00:38:50,830
of what made this such a weird animal

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00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:52,660
that because I've been doing promos for

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00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:54,040
so long and I had to shoot a little bit

805
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:55,570
and I had to do some editing and I've

806
00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:57,100
been doing graphics all my life so that

807
00:39:00,180 --> 00:38:58,420
was the actually the easiest part of it

808
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:00,190
but even in this last series I've

809
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:01,510
written all the music for the soundtrack

810
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:03,369
and stuff and it was another little

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thing that it just became my secret

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garden where I got to do whatever I

813
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:11,200
wanted and you know that doing

814
00:39:14,609 --> 00:39:12,490
everything myself gave it an unusual

815
00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:14,619
look I'm not saying it's a good look I

816
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:16,119
wouldn't recommend anybody else do that

817
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,760
but but it certainly gave it a character

818
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:21,760
that's much more designed forward which

819
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:24,010
is it makes me happy you know it's like

820
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:26,470
flavoring your food all the information

821
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:29,560
in the world sometimes well information

822
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:30,640
is made better with aesthetics

823
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:31,750
everything's made better with the right

824
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:34,930
esthetics well that's right and Egypt

825
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,720
was always shots almost in 2d before you

826
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:43,119
know it didn't have that thing to it

827
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:45,790
that you see it when you're there in

828
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:48,730
person and then here comes magical Egypt

829
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:51,609
where everything is shot with shadow and

830
00:39:59,010 --> 00:39:55,930
vibrant colors and angles and and this

831
00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:59,020
high-def kind of vibe that was going on

832
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:01,510
there that was just ignored in the past

833
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:04,150
but here we have these you know like I

834
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:08,050
said a good that's a good analysis the

835
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,660
punk rock side of it where this had an

836
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:13,359
edge that what has never been presented

837
00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:16,270
before did that turn people off or do

838
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,940
you think that it ended up giving it

839
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:21,119
legs you know they had that kind of edge

840
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,260
the networks hated it I first five years

841
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,000
that I did it I got nothing but beaten

842
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:29,920
on the head and neck with sticks from

843
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:31,450
the production industry's very catty

844
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:33,430
industry and everybody's an expert on

845
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:36,010
what you've done wrong but just like

846
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:38,290
fashion or any kind of thing that is my

847
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:40,870
aesthetic expression the only time

848
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:43,090
paradigms come about is if one person

849
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:44,770
does something without regard for what's

850
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:46,270
come before nothing I'm you know any

851
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:47,950
great Vanguard or anything a lot of the

852
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:49,810
stuff in Egypt magically just came about

853
00:40:54,270 --> 00:40:51,390
because of just basic laziness and

854
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:54,280
practicality but it ended up being this

855
00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:57,310
animal all on its own and I've always

856
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,900
approached this as an its aesthetic

857
00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:00,640
offering and you know the best thing an

858
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:02,020
artist can do is to find the right

859
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,910
medium or the right subject to the right

860
00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:05,440
message and the difference between

861
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,540
timeless art and art that hangs on the

862
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,240
wall at a you know at a motel 6 is this

863
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:12,160
timeless message if you choose something

864
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:14,350
to immortalize in your art you're only

865
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:15,850
as good as the subject you immortalize

866
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:18,820
and so it all I had to do is stay out of

867
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:20,650
the way and let Egypt to talk to you

868
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:22,630
through its geometry I'm a big fan of

869
00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:24,520
graphic novels and there's a kind of

870
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,080
exaggerated perspective that you see in

871
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:27,760
comic books then it's really hard to get

872
00:41:30,210 --> 00:41:29,050
on camera but if you know that's what

873
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,220
you're looking for and you buy the right

874
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:32,800
wide-angle lenses and really surf those

875
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,610
vanishing points and and that's that's

876
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,040
really the secret to it I love the

877
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:41,680
exaggerated reality that you get in a

878
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:43,450
certain comic book illustration styles

879
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:44,950
and so I've tried to do that in the

880
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:46,570
compositions in the camera angles and

881
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:48,730
stuff you know it's very cool it's very

882
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:51,130
cool and for those out there that that

883
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:53,500
don't even know about storyboarding or

884
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:55,390
you know comic book art or that kind of

885
00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:58,390
thing that fine but they're gonna watch

886
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:00,490
it and go man this is uh this is a

887
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:03,430
little bit different right there's

888
00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:04,930
different states of consciousness I

889
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:06,340
didn't learn this until much later I did

890
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:07,450
a lot of stuff accidentally at the

891
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:09,490
beginning but if you've ever been like

892
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:10,390
sitting there minding your own business

893
00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:11,950
and then somebody walks up behind you

894
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:13,840
and punches you in the head you actually

895
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:16,060
see differently in moments of crisis and

896
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:18,370
different states of consciousness your

897
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:20,470
vision is actually different and there's

898
00:42:23,850 --> 00:42:22,330
this kind of heightened state that you

899
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:23,860
know I don't know if you read Terence

900
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:25,210
Mckenna but Terence Mckenna used to talk

901
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:27,220
about archaic man-eating mushrooms and

902
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:28,390
it would heighten their senses and make

903
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:31,390
them a better hunter you know give you

904
00:42:35,490 --> 00:42:32,920
more acuity and hearing so you knew

905
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:35,500
where the your prey was and there's

906
00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:37,270
these non-standard states of

907
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,980
consciousness that have a very kind of

908
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:40,960
at the same time recognizable and hard

909
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:43,330
to recognize I mean it's familiar its

910
00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:45,220
it's not anyways the state of

911
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:47,080
consciousness that there's a way that

912
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:48,370
you see things in different states of

913
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:50,650
consciousness and a lot of what I tried

914
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,880
to do is sort of subliminally in the

915
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:54,640
show is induce this non-standard state

916
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,260
of consciousness which is what Egypt

917
00:43:00,420 --> 00:42:58,240
does Egypt really we can get into this

918
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:00,430
more later but there's a kind of right

919
00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:02,710
polarity right brain hemisphere of

920
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:04,840
consciousness that's esthetic and then

921
00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:05,860
there's a left brain hemisphere of

922
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:07,300
consciousness that's more hierarchical

923
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:10,690
and linear and art itself and especially

924
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:12,370
in Egypt it prompts you to think in this

925
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:13,870
other way like you know when you stare

926
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:17,650
at a mandala the indian mandalas are

927
00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:19,120
actually this technology that changes

928
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:20,830
your brain state and if you look at a

929
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:22,690
properly constructed mandala for more

930
00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:24,610
than two minutes like when you're under

931
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:26,200
an EKG it'll actually change your

932
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:27,790
hemisphere of dominance from right to

933
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,090
left and so music has always been an

934
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:33,040
obvious one art is a real strong one and

935
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:35,530
television is really this technology for

936
00:43:39,090 --> 00:43:37,390
the manipulation of consciousness if an

937
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:39,100
artist is using it you know when you're

938
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:41,530
firing on all cylinders IRA its full

939
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:43,710
capacity and having been on the

940
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:45,430
advertising world and then the

941
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:47,560
television world for so long most of

942
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:49,180
what we see that masquerades as art is

943
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,580
arts [\h__\h] sister advertising you know

944
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:52,960
and some of the best artists have been

945
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,960
conscripted by advertising and there's

946
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,670
just this imperative to stay in the

947
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:00,400
missionary position in in advertising

948
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:02,230
and when you realize that's not what

949
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:05,110
arts about arts they're to amplify your

950
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:06,550
experience and des literally you know

951
00:44:10,290 --> 00:44:09,010
just change your brainwaves and shift

952
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:10,300
you from a pedantic state of

953
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:12,370
consciousness to of you know a more

954
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,960
magical state of consciousness more

955
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:15,760
vibrant active animal state of

956
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:17,230
consciousness or you know just that

957
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,820
state of consciousness where epiphanies

958
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:21,280
and genius come from I've tried to do

959
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:24,640
that in the show and only as a way of

960
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:27,010
paying homage to Egypt like when you're

961
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:29,020
there in Egypt that's what the point of

962
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:31,270
this art is is to change their way of

963
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,220
thinking and evolve you out of this kind

964
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:35,680
of pedantic mode of thinking to a more

965
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:36,940
magical state of thinking that's in

966
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:38,890
resonance with what the people were

967
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:40,450
thinking like when this stuff was

968
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:43,270
created what you do a really effective

969
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:47,040
job in - we're gonna go back to one

970
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:50,920
briefly Oh a lot but you do a really

971
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:55,480
effective job in - for art history

972
00:44:59,249 --> 00:44:56,829
especially in episode

973
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,259
one where you lay the groundwork because

974
00:45:03,959 --> 00:45:02,319
these get to be pretty complex issues

975
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:03,969
when you're dealing with symbolism and

976
00:45:10,769 --> 00:45:07,150
the attention of the ancients and also

977
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:10,779
in modern art too so you do a really

978
00:45:17,819 --> 00:45:14,680
really effective job for art history 101

979
00:45:20,999 --> 00:45:17,829
and what is to be expected in all of the

980
00:45:23,489 --> 00:45:21,009
upcoming episodes why did you choose to

981
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:23,499
do that you could have bypassed that and

982
00:45:27,569 --> 00:45:26,170
just went straight to the meet it

983
00:45:29,999 --> 00:45:27,579
probably would have been a lot more

984
00:45:32,759 --> 00:45:30,009
commercially successful um a big rule

985
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:32,769
when you're undergoing a documentary is

986
00:45:36,449 --> 00:45:35,049
it better be something that really

987
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:36,459
thrills you and that you really

988
00:45:40,799 --> 00:45:38,650
fluoresce to and that you have this sort

989
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:40,809
of emotional or spiritual imperative for

990
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:44,319
and for me being an artist and because

991
00:45:48,509 --> 00:45:46,329
Egypt was so transformative for me as an

992
00:45:52,829 --> 00:45:48,519
artist you know I'd be standing there in

993
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,839
Egypt and in between shoots and you just

994
00:45:55,229 --> 00:45:53,920
stand-in there you're waiting for

995
00:45:56,339 --> 00:45:55,239
somebody to return from the bathroom or

996
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:56,349
something and you're just like they're

997
00:45:59,309 --> 00:45:57,729
in the middle of a temple and you'll

998
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:59,319
turn and look and this thing all of a

999
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:00,839
sudden was standing next to and it just

1000
00:46:08,729 --> 00:46:05,890
screams at you know it has this presence

1001
00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:08,739
that is just it grabs you you know it

1002
00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:10,479
engages you and it makes you start doing

1003
00:46:15,209 --> 00:46:12,069
things and starts doing things to you

1004
00:46:17,099 --> 00:46:15,219
and in addition to this primal effect it

1005
00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:17,109
has on you when you start studying the

1006
00:46:21,509 --> 00:46:19,869
art it was so transformative for me so

1007
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:21,519
at the beginning of the project I

1008
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:23,380
thought if I could do nothing except

1009
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:25,569
shine a light on the artistic techniques

1010
00:46:30,089 --> 00:46:28,089
and thinking of Egypt it would be such a

1011
00:46:32,009 --> 00:46:30,099
boom to the artists in the world that

1012
00:46:33,779 --> 00:46:32,019
you know just through changing our

1013
00:46:35,219 --> 00:46:33,789
aesthetic and placing more emphasis on

1014
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:35,229
the aesthetic the world would be a much

1015
00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:39,160
better place now take me back we're

1016
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:40,660
gonna head towards a break here in a few

1017
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:41,049
minutes

1018
00:46:48,479 --> 00:46:45,940
did you have an interest in Egypt well

1019
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,489
you did before but what what what

1020
00:46:51,499 --> 00:46:50,319
brought all of this on did it start in

1021
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:51,509
childhood

1022
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:54,940
yeah oddly enough my parents used to

1023
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:56,170
I'll try and answer this really quickly

1024
00:46:59,699 --> 00:46:57,910
my parents we lived way out in the

1025
00:47:01,799 --> 00:46:59,709
country when I was young and my parents

1026
00:47:03,749 --> 00:47:01,809
would work until 5:00 and my school got

1027
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:03,759
out of three so it was in this little

1028
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:05,049
town and there was literally nothing in

1029
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:06,729
town except this giant old gothic

1030
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:07,690
library and

1031
00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:11,530
I read a lot of sci-fi and a lot of you

1032
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:13,240
know horror stuff but I found the art

1033
00:47:16,530 --> 00:47:14,980
section I'm still young you know

1034
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:16,540
youngster afraid any reason to suspect

1035
00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:18,460
that I would do this for a living and I

1036
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:20,140
found this art section and there was two

1037
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:21,820
books and I just I couldn't put down one

1038
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:23,770
was Salvador Dali in his collection and

1039
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,230
the other one was this giant picture

1040
00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:28,480
book of ancient Egypt and so the minute

1041
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:30,040
I saw it I'm just like I was

1042
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:31,690
breathtaking you know and I couldn't

1043
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:33,100
stop looking it turned out to be a Zahi

1044
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,140
Hawass book so a lot of commentary oh

1045
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,520
that's the last name I'm gonna call it

1046
00:47:41,790 --> 00:47:40,480
remind me not to do that

1047
00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:41,800
you wanna mention anybody on the phone

1048
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:46,270
anyway and so early on it attracted me

1049
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:49,570
and then way before I met John I was

1050
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:50,920
doing video games I was doing the

1051
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:52,420
graphics for environments for video

1052
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:53,590
games you know you run around in

1053
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:54,970
environments and shoot things and stuff

1054
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:58,330
and I'd won this big contract and we're

1055
00:48:00,600 --> 00:47:59,470
trying to think up you know what's not

1056
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:00,610
been done to death what kind of

1057
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:02,050
videogame can we make that's really cool

1058
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:03,670
and it hit me that I'd like to do

1059
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:05,230
virtual environments from Egypt

1060
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:07,360
formation Egypt and you know set the

1061
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:09,310
game in that because the art direction

1062
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:11,110
would be so cool and so I went to the

1063
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:13,780
library and just you know unloaded all

1064
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:15,870
the books I could find about Egypt and

1065
00:48:20,370 --> 00:48:18,070
got all this source material and stuff

1066
00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:20,380
and I'm so I'm working on the graphics

1067
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:22,660
and I'm you know recreating these things

1068
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:24,850
in 3d and I had to go back and find all

1069
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:26,290
these original blueprints and stuff from

1070
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:28,360
the temples and as I'm going through all

1071
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:29,980
this stuff one of the books I grabbed

1072
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,390
from the library was this ratty old

1073
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:34,960
paperback with this cool illustration on

1074
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:36,280
it and by some character named John

1075
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:37,660
Anthony West it was this book called

1076
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:41,170
serpent in the sky and I remembered just

1077
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:44,110
this night I was late I'm gonna had a

1078
00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:45,430
deadline the next day and I was just

1079
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:47,080
under incredible pressure but I ended up

1080
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:48,850
like being so stuck into this book of

1081
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:50,860
journey West I think I missed my

1082
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:52,750
deadline and just sat there and read

1083
00:48:56,430 --> 00:48:54,190
this book for like the next three days

1084
00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:56,440
and that's what really radicalized me

1085
00:49:00,330 --> 00:48:58,060
about all of this is just a little fire

1086
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:00,340
in me because as you know as most people

1087
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:02,590
know if you asked about the mysteries of

1088
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:04,510
Egypt 20 years ago or 30 years ago you

1089
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:06,820
hear this one monolithic answer that

1090
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:08,260
presents itself is the only possible

1091
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:10,660
answer and it has really very little to

1092
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,130
do with what you can directly observe

1093
00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:14,800
about Egypt so anyway I just I really

1094
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,780
caught this bug and when I was working

1095
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:19,040
on this video game I became obsessed

1096
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:20,870
obsessed is kind of like weird weird but

1097
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:22,430
I really did become obsessed with John

1098
00:49:27,610 --> 00:49:26,000
West and then years later just weirdly I

1099
00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:27,620
was working at Fox and we were working

1100
00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:29,960
on this terrible show called opening the

1101
00:49:35,110 --> 00:49:32,350
lost tombs live from Egypt Oh

1102
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:35,120
Zaki was on it and Graham was on it and

1103
00:49:39,580 --> 00:49:37,220
Robert Bauval was on it I got a huge

1104
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:39,590
kick out of and John was on it and I'm

1105
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:40,790
like oh my god that's that guy I'm

1106
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:43,910
obsessed with and so I somehow got ahold

1107
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:45,950
of his personal information and called

1108
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:47,510
him up and just you know wanted to say

1109
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,070
thanks for the work and we ended up

1110
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:52,400
chatting and he said um you know if you

1111
00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:53,570
want to walk the walk

1112
00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:56,360
I'm leaving tomorrow or there's like 48

1113
00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:58,700
hours from now I'm leaving for Egypt you

1114
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:01,160
should come with me and I just it was at

1115
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:03,530
that place where I was really sick of my

1116
00:50:05,590 --> 00:50:05,150
job and I just I was starting to burn

1117
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:05,600
out

1118
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:09,230
you know what I'm just gonna go for it

1119
00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:11,240
so I went down about a ticket for the

1120
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,460
next day and I left for Egypt and kind

1121
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:16,010
of went into retirement at that point

1122
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:19,100
and went over to Egypt and like John was

1123
00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:20,330
my Grateful Dead I just started

1124
00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:21,740
following him around and filming him and

1125
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:23,600
stuff and it really didn't even know if

1126
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,950
anything would come of it but that's

1127
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:27,440
that's where magical Egypt started and

1128
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:28,760
that's that's how I got sucked into it

1129
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:32,330
now so is that when you shot all of

1130
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:35,390
those the stuff that the Cairo Museum

1131
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:38,450
was that done on that trip yeah yeah

1132
00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:40,610
well I was like five-year period where I

1133
00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:42,680
went a lot I mean I spent a lot of time

1134
00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:45,230
over there and so that's I don't really

1135
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,550
know what things were shot where but

1136
00:50:51,340 --> 00:50:49,520
then that cluster of filming because I

1137
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,350
remember head I wasn't even using good

1138
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:52,880
equipment I had this crappy little three

1139
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:54,260
chip camera that you know you can

1140
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:55,640
literally hide in the palm of your hand

1141
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:58,010
and it was all very you have to be very

1142
00:51:01,540 --> 00:50:58,970
casual when you're over there cuz

1143
00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:01,550
they're so quick to you know trying to

1144
00:51:05,170 --> 00:51:02,660
extract money from you if you look

1145
00:51:07,570 --> 00:51:05,180
professional so it was all very casual I

1146
00:51:09,850 --> 00:51:07,580
had some basic audio equipment and

1147
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:09,860
there's just really crappy camera and so

1148
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:11,090
we were able to sneak into a lot of

1149
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:12,230
places that you weren't allowed to film

1150
00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:14,810
and I guess you can't film it all in the

1151
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:16,760
Cairo Museum now which is awful because

1152
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:17,720
there's really no point

1153
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:21,710
well anyway and so I've got some just

1154
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,140
magical moments and because it was

1155
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:25,760
unscripted because as you know you know

1156
00:51:30,850 --> 00:51:28,370
John John's such a fantastic speaker and

1157
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,860
he's just such a great mind that I just

1158
00:51:34,329 --> 00:51:32,960
knew if I follow this guy around

1159
00:51:36,579 --> 00:51:34,339
who kept the camera running because I

1160
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:36,589
really you know until John explains it

1161
00:51:40,329 --> 00:51:38,390
to you or until you spend years and

1162
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:40,339
years and years studying it you really

1163
00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:41,050
don't

1164
00:51:45,099 --> 00:51:43,550
orthodox Egyptology doesn't really call

1165
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,109
your attention to the things that are in

1166
00:51:48,609 --> 00:51:46,640
my opinion the most interesting cuz it's

1167
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:48,619
there's all of these things that seem to

1168
00:51:52,359 --> 00:51:50,780
disprove the rule and cairo museum is

1169
00:51:54,190 --> 00:51:52,369
this incredible collection of things

1170
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:54,200
that to this day nobody can explain a

1171
00:51:58,059 --> 00:51:55,849
lot of the stuff that's there yeah

1172
00:52:00,700 --> 00:51:58,069
there's one shot i don't want to dwell

1173
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:00,710
on this too much everybody just go and

1174
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:04,190
watch a magical egypt one but there's

1175
00:52:10,359 --> 00:52:07,190
one shot where john is pointing out in

1176
00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:10,369
this display case the the vazha right

1177
00:52:17,170 --> 00:52:13,550
right in a row and at that moment it

1178
00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:17,180
kind of hits you at that moment it's not

1179
00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:19,550
that it's not the pyramids right it's

1180
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:23,300
not luxor it's not den dara right Sekar

1181
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,319
it's not any of that

1182
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:26,720
it's those father's in that display case

1183
00:52:31,329 --> 00:52:29,750
that tell you things are not what they

1184
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:31,339
are telling us rocky

1185
00:52:34,329 --> 00:52:33,140
there's just quiet little thing that

1186
00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:34,339
just comes bubbling up in your head

1187
00:52:39,099 --> 00:52:36,980
because nobody will say it but there are

1188
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:39,109
some of the hardest stone on earth

1189
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,130
schist

1190
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:42,559
and i don't I forget the names of some

1191
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:43,609
of them now but there's things that are

1192
00:52:48,190 --> 00:52:45,770
way harder than diamonds and these

1193
00:52:51,099 --> 00:52:48,200
there's these beautiful intricate craft

1194
00:52:53,799 --> 00:52:51,109
crafted things bowls and vases and and

1195
00:52:55,539 --> 00:52:53,809
there's just no way that you can find a

1196
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:55,549
tool that would craft this stuff and

1197
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:57,650
there's also the thing that I used as

1198
00:53:01,150 --> 00:52:59,480
the cover face for the original magical

1199
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:01,160
Egypt series is this really sort of

1200
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:02,569
unassuming it's not very big it's about

1201
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:05,270
as big as your hand it's his face that's

1202
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:06,410
just there among everything else

1203
00:53:10,510 --> 00:53:08,270
collecting dust and spiders in the Cairo

1204
00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:10,520
Museum and when you look at it and then

1205
00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:12,260
John says by the way that's obsidian

1206
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:14,180
that is an obsidian face and if you know

1207
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:15,710
anything about obsidian with obsidian

1208
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:17,690
chips and flakes and so there's

1209
00:53:21,579 --> 00:53:19,670
literally no way to sculpt obsidian

1210
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:21,589
unless you can generate a heat that's

1211
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:23,990
hot enough to melt it and once you start

1212
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:25,970
thinking along lines of what if they

1213
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,020
could generate a heat that was hot

1214
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:29,839
enough to melt stone then all of a

1215
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,430
sudden these things become not quite so

1216
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:32,960
mysterious but the other thing that's

1217
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:34,190
impressive about a lot of those things

1218
00:53:39,819 --> 00:53:37,730
the bowls in the vases and stuff those

1219
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:39,829
things could last a hundred thousand

1220
00:53:43,809 --> 00:53:41,930
years and there's no real indication

1221
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:43,819
that those were even there in Egypt but

1222
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:45,530
that one of the thrilling things about

1223
00:53:47,970 --> 00:53:46,660
Egypt is there

1224
00:53:49,470 --> 00:53:47,980
stuff that was ancient when the

1225
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:49,480
Egyptians were there and they talked

1226
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:50,560
about it all the time but it's one of

1227
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,490
those things that weren't the docks he

1228
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:54,160
doesn't like to bring up that and what

1229
00:53:57,420 --> 00:53:55,930
John was so important for and Graham and

1230
00:53:59,310 --> 00:53:57,430
Robert and all the people that came

1231
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:59,320
after we're pointing out that there was

1232
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:01,480
clearly something there way before what

1233
00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:03,970
we think of as dynastic Egypt and so the

1234
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:05,980
Cairo Museum is one of those places

1235
00:54:08,910 --> 00:54:07,510
where the stuff is just out there and

1236
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:08,920
they don't feel particularly burdened to

1237
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:10,870
tell you anything about it but you go

1238
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:12,220
through the Cairo Museum with John or

1239
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:14,560
you know take magical Egypt with you and

1240
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:16,830
watch it as you go through the thing and

1241
00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:19,210
you come across all these things they're

1242
00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:21,940
just literally inexplicable and that to

1243
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:23,860
me is part of the fun of Egypt and what

1244
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,090
you know what makes this whole thing so

1245
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:27,520
punk rock because the principle says one

1246
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:28,900
thing and the kids are saying something

1247
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:30,580
else you know yeah that's exactly right

1248
00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:34,030
now briefly and I definitely want to

1249
00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:35,560
talk about the basement of the Cairo

1250
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:37,720
Museum but we've got about a minute and

1251
00:54:44,190 --> 00:54:41,650
a half here what the list is long but

1252
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:44,200
give me the thing at the top of the list

1253
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:47,110
that she walked away from on that first

1254
00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:49,600
trip to Egypt with John Anthony West

1255
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:52,600
there is one thing that just was an

1256
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:53,350
epiphany

1257
00:55:01,050 --> 00:54:57,850
what was it wow that's a tough one I

1258
00:55:02,970 --> 00:55:01,060
think for me it was that there was an

1259
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:02,980
intelligence and a sophistication of

1260
00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:05,290
science that we've been completely

1261
00:55:09,090 --> 00:55:07,240
misled about and the most important

1262
00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:09,100
thing is that everyone tends to push

1263
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:11,560
this conversation into a speculative or

1264
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:13,570
theoretical mode where this stuff was

1265
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:15,460
operative this wasn't just expressing

1266
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:16,810
ideas this was stuff that was addressed

1267
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:19,510
to you and it tells you about you and

1268
00:55:22,770 --> 00:55:20,770
it's not stuff to think about it's stuff

1269
00:55:23,970 --> 00:55:22,780
that you do and so when I realized that

1270
00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:23,980
the artwork was transmitting these

1271
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:25,840
ancient instructions for something

1272
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:27,310
that's when it got really exciting for

1273
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:28,930
me because it's like telling me things

1274
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:30,610
about myself that I didn't know and it's

1275
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,860
telling me how to achieve these things

1276
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:34,000
but I had no reason to expect even

1277
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:35,890
existed and that's when I really got

1278
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:40,510
hooked yeah Jon over the years has

1279
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:44,020
driven one thing home with me as a

1280
00:55:49,110 --> 00:55:47,110
matter of fact I sat we spent a few

1281
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:49,120
hours one day sitting next to each other

1282
00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:52,090
in the hot Sun out in the desert and and

1283
00:55:57,870 --> 00:55:53,950
I'm sitting there talking to him and he

1284
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:57,880
kept he's like Church yes yes yes you're

1285
00:56:00,339 --> 00:55:58,450
right

1286
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:00,349
but it's not about that it's about

1287
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,809
the symbolism and I will go yeah but you

1288
00:56:05,799 --> 00:56:04,160
know this and that the towns of the

1289
00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:05,809
right Jimmy Jimmy

1290
00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:08,420
it's the symbol as a man yep you know

1291
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:13,880
and and I didn't it takes a while to get

1292
00:56:17,979 --> 00:56:16,430
through the weight of the stones or how

1293
00:56:20,829 --> 00:56:17,989
they carved it ooh the coring or the

1294
00:56:23,489 --> 00:56:20,839
moving and and the giant statues and the

1295
00:56:26,469 --> 00:56:23,499
weight and the size and the antiquity

1296
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,479
yes it's all there but that's the

1297
00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:28,640
logistical side that's the technical

1298
00:56:33,849 --> 00:56:31,700
side it's the symbolism that is the

1299
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:33,859
message and it takes a minute but once

1300
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:36,430
you do that's all you see after that

1301
00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:38,630
it's like a magic book and everyone

1302
00:56:42,009 --> 00:56:40,190
wants to focus on the binding and the

1303
00:56:43,690 --> 00:56:42,019
size of the paper and all that's a pound

1304
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:43,700
bond to the paper but it's not to have

1305
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:45,710
it's that's there to present you a story

1306
00:56:49,779 --> 00:56:47,390
and when you start looking past the

1307
00:56:52,029 --> 00:56:49,789
pages at the story then Egypt comes

1308
00:56:53,969 --> 00:56:52,039
alive yeah I can't I can't helped out

1309
00:56:56,289 --> 00:56:53,979
he's ruined it for me

1310
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,299
let's take a break right here chance

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00:57:00,160 --> 00:56:57,680
this is fade to black

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live from Australia chance Gardner

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00:57:06,219 --> 00:57:02,749
director art director director writer

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creator magical Egypt one and two is our

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guest this is fade to black I'm yours

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Jimmy Church follow me on twitter @ JT

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Egypt we'll be right back

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[Music]

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this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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jimmy church on fade to black across the

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globe on the GameChanger radio network

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and the one and only kgr a radio the

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all right welcome back fade the block

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it's Monday the Monday edition I'm your

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host immature tonight chance gardener is

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here director magical Egypt one and two

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01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:21,140
and where I would like to go now a

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01:01:26,829 --> 01:01:24,710
chance you blew by this rather quickly

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01:01:29,470 --> 01:01:26,839
so I'm gonna go back we got to back the

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01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:29,480
truck up here you said that you wrote

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01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:33,520
the music now I'm a guitar player and I

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01:01:41,470 --> 01:01:36,200
saw a picture of you with a Stevie Ray

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01:01:45,150 --> 01:01:41,480
Vaughn copy it sounds pretty good too

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01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:45,160
but anyway you've got some pretty cool

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01:01:52,839 --> 01:01:49,280
riff äj-- that goes on in this who plays

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01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:52,849
that guitar me that's on me man dude you

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01:01:57,579 --> 01:01:55,910
got some talent I got to the Gretsch I

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01:01:59,770 --> 01:01:57,589
have this Gretch Vinny spot me a dredge

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01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:59,780
a long time ago and the thing just does

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01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:01,040
what its gonna do it's like those

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01:02:04,539 --> 01:02:03,380
stories of magical swords that make you

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01:02:07,950 --> 01:02:04,549
go out and kill people because the

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01:02:11,530 --> 01:02:07,960
swords hungry for blood that guitar so

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01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:11,540
1994 Brent Setzer hot rod and just makes

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01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:13,250
me do things I'm just channeling it's

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01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:21,789
that Duane Eddy twang it just sounds

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01:02:26,349 --> 01:02:23,420
like it's a hundred stories tall yeah

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01:02:27,069 --> 01:02:26,359
man it's legit so don't think I didn't

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01:02:30,970 --> 01:02:27,079
notice that

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01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:30,980
good on you almost nobody picks out than

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01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:32,540
anything else about the show to sit down

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01:02:36,190 --> 01:02:34,490
and be disciplined enough and you should

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01:02:38,859 --> 01:02:36,200
never be your own engineer you know and

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01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,869
you know what you know what I really dig

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01:02:44,859 --> 01:02:41,440
the licks are really good but the hi-hat

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01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:44,869
just right at the right you know what

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01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:46,700
I'm talking about well done okay so

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01:02:50,829 --> 01:02:49,190
that's you I heard you talking about

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01:02:53,049 --> 01:02:50,839
David Lynch and some of your interviews

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01:02:55,569 --> 01:02:53,059
and I'm just I'm such a nut for David

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01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:55,579
Lynch and that cool secret agent vibe

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01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:57,650
that he creates with snaps and the

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01:03:01,359 --> 01:02:59,450
hi-hat with a lot of reverb on it I

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01:03:03,069 --> 01:03:01,369
write I just latent all that I'm not

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01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:03,079
afraid to admit it well we tried to get

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01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:07,369
Lynch on the show last month but his

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:10,329
response back you know what it was I'm

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01:03:18,790 --> 01:03:15,890
involved with my art right now I was

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01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:18,800
like okay cool what you know moving on

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01:03:28,210 --> 01:03:22,880
now the let's jump into let's go from

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01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:28,220
one series to there is a very

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01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:30,830
interesting and again you're ruining it

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01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:31,790
for me

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01:03:36,070 --> 01:03:34,160
aesthetically now because now I just see

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01:03:39,490 --> 01:03:36,080
things differently it's very effective

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01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:39,500
but the presentation that you do with

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01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:42,640
the with the pineal gland the aya Voris

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01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:46,700
the brain the symmetry and the way that

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01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:49,190
it is presented and you know you do a

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01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:51,320
little thing with Michelangelo too as

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well

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01:04:00,280 --> 01:03:55,610
now let's talk about that for a second

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because that is a game-changing segment

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01:04:05,380 --> 01:04:02,960
for not only the series but for the

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01:04:08,530 --> 01:04:05,390
world in general because if people

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01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:08,540
accept that and start to look at the

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01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:10,280
world around them and art not only

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01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:12,830
through the Renaissance but going back

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01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:17,030
to 2500 BC this is a very serious thing

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01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:20,620
where that they they had much more

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01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:23,690
intelligence of a technical sense than

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01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:27,200
we give everybody credit for yeah it's

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:30,830
so easy to get a focus on the technical

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01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:33,170
execution which is amazing and worthy of

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01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:34,550
you know worthy of attention and

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01:04:40,330 --> 01:04:38,090
reverence but using it the way they do

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01:04:42,130 --> 01:04:40,340
to communicate this incredibly

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01:04:43,810 --> 01:04:42,140
sophisticated and accurate is the

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01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,820
weirdest thing these bits of brain

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01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:45,440
architecture for people that haven't

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:48,140
seen it there's this the kind of other

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01:04:51,790 --> 01:04:49,850
two people that were the seeds of the

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01:04:54,730 --> 01:04:51,800
show were these two remarkable

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01:04:57,370 --> 01:04:54,740
researchers Brad Claussen and Gary

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01:04:58,660 --> 01:04:57,380
Osborne and Brad Claussen I was calling

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01:05:00,340 --> 01:04:58,670
the young Brad Claussen and he just

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:00,350
pointed out that he's my age and he's

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01:05:06,850 --> 01:05:02,810
not young anyway so the venerable middle

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01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:06,860
age spread Klaus and Found started

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01:05:12,340 --> 01:05:10,160
finding these really sophisticated

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01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:12,350
depictions of brain architecture in some

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01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:14,120
of the oldest art in the world

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01:05:17,050 --> 01:05:15,830
and I you know if you're an artist

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01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:17,060
you're kind of aware of these things

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01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,550
mesh burger and some people back in that

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01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:22,160
it was like 70s or 80s first notice that

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01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:27,590
that Michelangelo painting was a perfect

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01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:29,720
depiction of brain architecture and not

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01:05:32,110 --> 01:05:31,340
only the because you know it's not that

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01:05:33,370 --> 01:05:32,120
hard to cut some

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01:05:35,230 --> 01:05:33,380
his head in half and just sort of draw

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:35,240
what you see but what's interesting is

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01:05:39,490 --> 01:05:37,130
that you have brain parts associated

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01:05:41,530 --> 01:05:39,500
with symbolism that show you here's what

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:41,540
this part of the brain does and they did

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01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,370
not know things like that back in

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01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:44,960
Michelangelo's day and they shouldn't

1485
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:47,090
have known it in ancient Egypt but it's

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01:05:51,310 --> 01:05:49,850
only now that science has taken us to a

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01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:51,320
place where we have a pretty you know

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:52,640
good working understanding of what brain

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:54,890
parts do what and so now you go back and

1490
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,210
look at this art and you realize that

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01:05:59,140 --> 01:05:57,920
it's right there in front you kind of

1492
01:06:02,080 --> 01:05:59,150
rubbing your nose in the fact that

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01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,090
somebody and that's all you know

1494
01:06:05,860 --> 01:06:03,680
sinkhole who was that somebody but at

1495
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,870
some point this information this

1496
01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:08,000
incredibly sophisticated brain science

1497
01:06:17,290 --> 01:06:13,660
was there it was somehow associated with

1498
01:06:19,030 --> 01:06:17,300
theology and psychology it's why I love

1499
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:19,040
that ancient art so much is back when

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01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:20,450
art was used the way it was supposed to

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01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:22,460
as didactic art that actually teaches

1502
01:06:26,740 --> 01:06:24,170
you something there are some incredibly

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01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:26,750
complicated science so just the fact

1504
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:28,430
that the brain was so perfectly depicted

1505
01:06:32,410 --> 01:06:30,050
and they indicated what different brain

1506
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:32,420
parts did was amazing in ancient Egypt

1507
01:06:35,050 --> 01:06:34,310
but then Brad Claussen this is in

1508
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:35,060
Episode two

1509
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:37,940
Brad shows this type or this sort of

1510
01:06:44,340 --> 01:06:40,850
genre of statue that goes back through

1511
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:44,350
Samaria and with Ishtar and ananna and

1512
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:48,050
Diana later Ishtar and under that is the

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01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:49,970
brainstem and all of these things that

1514
01:06:53,950 --> 01:06:51,590
aren't critics throughout the ages have

1515
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:53,960
been you know doing these contortions

1516
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:56,510
try and explain here's all these ways

1517
01:07:01,300 --> 01:06:58,490
where she's not anatomically correct if

1518
01:07:02,860 --> 01:07:01,310
you compare these statues to a woman

1519
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,870
like everyone says their fertility

1520
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:04,400
statues and then in some sense they

1521
01:07:07,150 --> 01:07:05,870
could be but what they really are is

1522
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:07,160
this fantastic depiction of the

1523
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:09,290
brainstem and the things that don't

1524
01:07:14,170 --> 01:07:12,170
belong it's not like they thought women

1525
01:07:15,820 --> 01:07:14,180
had a thousand breasts back then or then

1526
01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:15,830
a woman's shoulders should be really big

1527
01:07:21,210 --> 01:07:19,100
it's just that through the overt

1528
01:07:24,130 --> 01:07:21,220
symbolism of a woman infertility they

1529
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:24,140
encode you know that word and code like

1530
01:07:29,170 --> 01:07:26,330
a cipher you've encoded this science

1531
01:07:31,030 --> 01:07:29,180
into the aesthetic it's amazing because

1532
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:31,040
it changes history it's amazing because

1533
01:07:35,710 --> 01:07:32,960
it's in my opinion it's the highest use

1534
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:35,720
to which art has ever been put it reaiiy

1535
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:38,210
mean it really shakes up and reorganizes

1536
01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:41,000
the art world but all by himself when

1537
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,120
brad showed that the you know the venus

1538
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:45,200
the venus of

1539
01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:47,950
and those really old primitive statues

1540
01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:50,420
we're that same thing and all the other

1541
01:07:55,539 --> 01:07:52,040
articulations in the body are the exact

1542
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:55,549
articulations of the brainstem and it

1543
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:56,990
just I don't know what to make of it

1544
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,119
like you said earlier when we spoke

1545
01:08:03,220 --> 01:08:01,280
there's some times where you almost feel

1546
01:08:06,910 --> 01:08:03,230
afraid because you read something that's

1547
01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:06,920
so controversial and so disruptive so

1548
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:08,750
counterculture you know and you're like

1549
01:08:11,859 --> 01:08:09,890
wow I feel like I could get in trouble

1550
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:11,869
for this or I kind of thought wow Brad's

1551
01:08:15,579 --> 01:08:13,730
gonna get assassinated or something like

1552
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:15,589
note to self don't stand next to Brad in

1553
01:08:18,519 --> 01:08:17,120
any open markets or public places

1554
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:18,529
because this guy's going to be

1555
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:20,830
assassinated for being too disruptive

1556
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:26,449
anyway that feeling know it that is not

1557
01:08:32,499 --> 01:08:29,359
a joke but you just said that he was our

1558
01:08:36,189 --> 01:08:32,509
age dude doesn't have a wrinkle on his

1559
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:36,199
face that's it's entirely from jealousy

1560
01:08:39,939 --> 01:08:37,640
and maliciousness as I call him young

1561
01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:39,949
Brad Claussen because um yeah he looks

1562
01:08:44,590 --> 01:08:42,440
like he's a vibrant 30 year old he does

1563
01:08:47,169 --> 01:08:44,600
nor tell everybody who bred it he's one

1564
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:47,179
of the most badass artists on the planet

1565
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:50,089
oh my god yeah so you'd never know this

1566
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:51,350
if you just talk to him because actually

1567
01:08:55,059 --> 01:08:53,210
he's such a humble fellow but um I think

1568
01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:55,069
he's listening right now hey Brad hey

1569
01:09:03,490 --> 01:09:01,300
but he's the he's the was the in-house

1570
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,500
illustrator for Pearl Jam and a lot of

1571
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,600
the posters and I believe some of the

1572
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:07,759
album covers were is but he was so

1573
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:09,650
famous for his work with the Pearl Jam

1574
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:12,400
rock and roll posters that he's a very

1575
01:09:17,380 --> 01:09:15,230
widespread and widely recognized concert

1576
01:09:20,050 --> 01:09:17,390
poster guy and you just

1577
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:20,060
I'm never been good with my bare hands

1578
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:21,650
and painting and stuff like that and

1579
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:24,049
Brad's like he's he'll sit down and it

1580
01:09:27,490 --> 01:09:25,250
takes him a month to do these

1581
01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:27,500
illustrations but they're like I don't

1582
01:09:30,610 --> 01:09:28,609
know if you saw that documentary about

1583
01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:30,620
our chrome you know the old oh yeah oh

1584
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:32,540
yeah the only a great documentary by the

1585
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,170
way that was a David Lynch um anyway he

1586
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:38,480
bread does that style that hyper

1587
01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:41,630
detailed style that um I used to be able

1588
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:42,859
to work that way when I was doing video

1589
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:44,089
games because environments you could

1590
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:45,830
really stop and explore appreciate all

1591
01:09:49,209 --> 01:09:47,449
the detail but then a television you

1592
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:49,219
can't you know you've got a second to

1593
01:09:53,169 --> 01:09:50,449
make your impression so you really have

1594
01:09:55,390 --> 01:09:53,179
to pare down so I really love Brad's

1595
01:09:56,919 --> 01:09:55,400
work because it's you know it's using

1596
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,929
art in the old way where you can really

1597
01:10:00,380 --> 01:09:58,620
pull up a chair and spin

1598
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:00,390
sometime with its art he'd spend an hour

1599
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:01,950
and not notice some of the great stuff

1600
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:04,770
plus part of the reason why we resonate

1601
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:06,630
so well is he said not for ancient Egypt

1602
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,370
like Miami he really wields those

1603
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:11,520
powerful old symbols in a way that you

1604
01:10:15,230 --> 01:10:13,080
know it's just like a whip or a scourge

1605
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:15,240
he reaches right out of the poster and

1606
01:10:22,190 --> 01:10:19,050
scars your flesh yeah he the other thing

1607
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:22,200
is he is so because he's so good I mean

1608
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:27,060
he as as far as an artist goes but once

1609
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:29,970
you start to see things as an artist you

1610
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,130
know I'm at art school and and I did you

1611
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:33,600
know all of these things too and once

1612
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:37,170
you grab onto something you cannot help

1613
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:39,540
but see it everywhere that's just part

1614
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:42,650
of being an artist for him I can almost

1615
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:45,690
see you know being driven to the edge of

1616
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:48,420
insanity because you're seeing this

1617
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,590
symbolism now in everything and and then

1618
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:54,960
he takes it to another level yeah

1619
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:57,090
there's this amazing thing that we junk

1620
01:11:00,710 --> 01:10:59,550
amongst ourselves about that you know

1621
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:00,720
you can literally dislocate your

1622
01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:02,010
shoulder from patting yourself on the

1623
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:03,270
back every time you make a discovery

1624
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:05,370
it's like wow my god I can't believe I

1625
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:06,810
just found this I solve this puzzle and

1626
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:08,460
here's the prize and it's this epiphany

1627
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:10,260
and then you go outside and you look at

1628
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:11,820
any Masonic Hall or you know

1629
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,980
architecture or oh these things that

1630
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:16,080
happen later and you realize I'm not the

1631
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:18,390
first person to request this and that

1632
01:11:21,950 --> 01:11:20,370
this has been out in front of us for as

1633
01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:21,960
long as people have been around you know

1634
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,220
as long as there's been cities and as

1635
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:25,520
long as stones have been hewn into

1636
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:28,140
smooth ash layers and you know that

1637
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,690
somebody's known this stuff and it's

1638
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:32,460
been expressed through different mediums

1639
01:11:35,690 --> 01:11:34,050
sometimes it was William Blake and

1640
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:35,700
poetry you know sometimes it's Jimmy

1641
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:37,380
Page and rock and roll sometimes it's

1642
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:39,690
the old gothic architects but once you

1643
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:41,400
understand some of the answers to these

1644
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:45,780
age-old riddles after that thrill of

1645
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:47,910
triumph of solving the puzzle fades you

1646
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:49,890
go outside and you're like well clearly

1647
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:51,090
I'm not the first person to have solved

1648
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:53,610
this puzzle well okay now let's stay

1649
01:12:00,860 --> 01:11:56,340
right here with this because not only

1650
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:00,870
Brad talks about this but you start off

1651
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:04,770
with the door and I think it would I

1652
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,140
think it was young that said you know I

1653
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:09,840
you know I found a doorman and I stepped

1654
01:12:15,169 --> 01:12:10,679
through it

1655
01:12:18,979 --> 01:12:15,179
and and here it is part of a symbol as

1656
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:18,989
Egypt and these temples and the doorway

1657
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,130
to the mind and also its symmetry the

1658
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:26,159
left and right and everything else that

1659
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:30,090
we now today we study but it was clearly

1660
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:33,330
presented in Egypt twenty-six hundred

1661
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:36,449
three thousand years ago when you made

1662
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:38,520
this discovery you know with all of you

1663
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:41,250
you know the team how did that make you

1664
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:43,850
feel and where did you go next with it

1665
01:12:49,610 --> 01:12:48,000
for me personally the pylon discovery

1666
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:49,620
that I don't know if you if you know

1667
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:54,290
John John West it's work John his first

1668
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:56,850
big contribution to humanity was that he

1669
01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:58,170
translated this book of schwa Lord

1670
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:01,560
Olympics and his father dalou bik's was

1671
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,610
a remarkable man that we could talk

1672
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:04,800
about it linked but he was the first to

1673
01:13:08,330 --> 01:13:06,540
discover things like if you look at the

1674
01:13:10,189 --> 01:13:08,340
Luxor Temple from the top down the

1675
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:10,199
architecture creates this template if

1676
01:13:13,459 --> 01:13:11,699
you put a person on that template then

1677
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:13,469
the architecture points to important

1678
01:13:18,919 --> 01:13:16,199
parts of the person as far as I know

1679
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:18,929
Schaller never discovered this pylon

1680
01:13:23,689 --> 01:13:22,530
thing and that was as far as I know that

1681
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:23,699
was a discovery that I've made that I

1682
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:25,050
never heard anybody else say and so I

1683
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:27,960
was hugely excited about that and that's

1684
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:29,010
what made me go out and start

1685
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:30,780
researching and come across Brandon

1686
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:34,409
Geary who had found the same example in

1687
01:13:38,660 --> 01:13:36,690
other instances that there was this

1688
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:38,670
biometric information that had to do

1689
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:40,170
with consciousness and it was hidden or

1690
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:43,980
encoded in art and so when you look at

1691
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:45,690
the tile on from the front and then

1692
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:48,060
superimpose that over a human brain that

1693
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,409
I don't know if people know that classic

1694
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:51,120
Egyptian pylon but it's a very distinct

1695
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:52,170
piece of architecture if you watch

1696
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:53,760
Stargate or just about anything or just

1697
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:55,590
look at footage from Egypt the classic

1698
01:13:59,660 --> 01:13:58,050
Egyptian temple pile on pile on means

1699
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,670
the front of the the entry to the temple

1700
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:02,400
it's these two humps and significantly

1701
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:03,690
the humps don't touch but they have this

1702
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,159
bridging architecture where the door is

1703
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:07,500
and on the top of the door there's this

1704
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:09,510
weighing a disc that's very iconic part

1705
01:14:14,959 --> 01:14:12,810
of Egyptian architecture so if you take

1706
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:14,969
that pylon and superimpose it over the

1707
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:17,520
human brain the two humps perfectly

1708
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:19,050
outlined where the brain is and there's

1709
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:20,580
all these strange bits of architectural

1710
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:22,110
features that are the ventricle the

1711
01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:23,370
third ventricle that goes through the

1712
01:14:25,879 --> 01:14:23,820
brain

1713
01:14:26,839 --> 01:14:25,889
is that exact same curve that's at the

1714
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,849
top of the door

1715
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:29,040
and nothing was accidental and nothing

1716
01:14:32,839 --> 01:14:30,810
is there for ornamentation every single

1717
01:14:34,580 --> 01:14:32,849
thing in that facade is a piece of

1718
01:14:36,379 --> 01:14:34,590
information that tells you about the

1719
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:36,389
structure of the brain what I found was

1720
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:37,380
more interesting than that though it

1721
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:39,900
isn't just about brain structure it

1722
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,340
calls your attention to the parts of the

1723
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:42,960
brain that produce consciousness that

1724
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:44,369
play a role in producing consciousness

1725
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:46,260
and ultimately when we kind of got

1726
01:14:49,609 --> 01:14:47,790
started getting past the superficial

1727
01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:49,619
stuff and getting to the answers to some

1728
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:53,270
of these old riddles this art is

1729
01:14:58,129 --> 01:14:56,310
transmitting an ancient science but it's

1730
01:14:59,300 --> 01:14:58,139
not a science that we think about it's

1731
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:59,310
not a science in the sense that we think

1732
01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:00,659
about it's a science that instead of

1733
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:02,550
being externally oriented and oriented

1734
01:15:06,379 --> 01:15:04,440
towards the material world it's a

1735
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:06,389
science that focuses on this inner

1736
01:15:10,629 --> 01:15:08,280
universe of consciousness which is way

1737
01:15:14,899 --> 01:15:10,639
more mysterious and as I'm sure you know

1738
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:14,909
neuro neuropsychologists and people

1739
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:17,159
still don't know what consciousness is

1740
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,840
to this day and so here's this old

1741
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:20,400
science that says oh yeah here's what it

1742
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,750
is and here's a schematic of your

1743
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:23,280
consciousness and here's the major

1744
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,110
components here's minor components and

1745
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:26,400
so another thing that I think was kind

1746
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:28,290
of unique to that was I am it really

1747
01:15:32,899 --> 01:15:30,540
hurt anybody else a was just like those

1748
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:32,909
two pylons are just the two humps in the

1749
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:34,710
pylon are connected by a door there's

1750
01:15:39,229 --> 01:15:36,810
all kinds of statuary that show Horace

1751
01:15:40,580 --> 01:15:39,239
and set standing on both sides of the

1752
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:40,590
pharaoh and their hands are literally

1753
01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:41,880
pointing to his left and right

1754
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:44,369
hemisphere and that's when it really

1755
01:15:48,260 --> 01:15:46,290
broke through for me this overall idea

1756
01:15:50,089 --> 01:15:48,270
that finally made me feel like I could

1757
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:50,099
birth this new magical Egypt was that

1758
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:51,510
what we're seeing here are these

1759
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:53,130
schematics but they're not just

1760
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:54,540
schematics of the meat body there's

1761
01:15:58,819 --> 01:15:57,360
schematics of consciousness so imagine

1762
01:16:01,160 --> 01:15:58,829
that all that crazy nonsense and all

1763
01:16:03,379 --> 01:16:01,170
that stuff in your head oh your psyche

1764
01:16:04,850 --> 01:16:03,389
is like architecture and you inherit

1765
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:04,860
this house you know and you only live on

1766
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:06,210
the bottom floor and then one day you

1767
01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:07,530
find this blueprint you're like oh my

1768
01:16:10,069 --> 01:16:08,670
god I didn't even realize there's like

1769
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,079
three more floors on this house that

1770
01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:12,000
I've never explored and suddenly you

1771
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,409
find this door and you realize you've

1772
01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:14,880
been living in the basement and your

1773
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:17,790
house is these you know extra floors and

1774
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,650
the rooftop is fantastic and there's a

1775
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:21,360
pool and a jacuzzi you didn't know about

1776
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,300
and so by finding these schematics that

1777
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:26,159
nobody ever told you about you learn

1778
01:16:28,609 --> 01:16:27,510
these things about yourself but the most

1779
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:28,619
important thing you learn is there's a

1780
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,810
door in your head that no one told you

1781
01:16:35,089 --> 01:16:32,699
about and if you can find that door and

1782
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:35,099
walk through it that's not an end in

1783
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:37,320
itself but that leads you out of the

1784
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:37,650
base

1785
01:16:41,660 --> 01:16:39,870
to these higher floors you to send a lot

1786
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:41,670
of masonic art you know that tracing

1787
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,409
board that's a four-story structure

1788
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:45,840
that's a schematic of consciousness and

1789
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:47,850
the masons as you probably know are

1790
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,400
notable and admirable and amazing for

1791
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:52,560
their role as the pest Odeon of these

1792
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:54,360
ancient old ideas and there are some

1793
01:16:57,410 --> 01:16:55,890
things even the Mason race forgot like

1794
01:17:00,979 --> 01:16:57,420
you know they revere and they keep alive

1795
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:00,989
but they don't know what it means and so

1796
01:17:04,010 --> 01:17:02,520
what I find thrilling about this and

1797
01:17:07,340 --> 01:17:04,020
what's so compelling about this is that

1798
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,350
in the art are the secrets to a lot of

1799
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,880
things that were lost but they represent

1800
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:10,800
this science that is of inestimable

1801
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:13,710
importance because who wouldn't benefit

1802
01:17:18,530 --> 01:17:16,710
from understanding you know if you got

1803
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,540
car and you never bothered looking at

1804
01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:20,159
the owners manual and this car without

1805
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:22,620
you knowing was actually a anti-gravity

1806
01:17:25,820 --> 01:17:24,150
you know it flew and it traveled back

1807
01:17:26,959 --> 01:17:25,830
and forth in time but you didn't know

1808
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:26,969
because you never looked at the owner's

1809
01:17:32,419 --> 01:17:30,239
manual and so this art is telling you

1810
01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:32,429
about yourself it produces a not just

1811
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,679
art but statuary and the architecture as

1812
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:36,719
well they're these schematics that show

1813
01:17:41,149 --> 01:17:39,000
you this part of yourself that you can't

1814
01:17:42,620 --> 01:17:41,159
look at directly and it's sort of that

1815
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:42,630
you know that old thing you can't tell

1816
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:44,280
about a watch from inside the watch this

1817
01:17:48,590 --> 01:17:46,050
is a view of you from outside the closed

1818
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:48,600
watch and that's exciting to me and it's

1819
01:17:51,169 --> 01:17:49,710
kind of the basis of all the later

1820
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:51,179
recalled traditions and esoteric

1821
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:53,340
traditions that are just the absolute

1822
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:56,010
and mathematics I and scheme unto

1823
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:58,020
academia it's a big part of the show in

1824
01:18:01,459 --> 01:17:59,640
fact our tagline of the show is where

1825
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:01,469
science refuses to go and where religion

1826
01:18:05,630 --> 01:18:03,540
forbids us to look the artist takes over

1827
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:05,640
is the rightful tour guide and so if you

1828
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:07,020
show up with this stuff without any

1829
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:08,820
baggage and without these things that

1830
01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:10,140
you can and can't talk about like

1831
01:18:15,169 --> 01:18:12,900
Egyptology has this dog mine means they

1832
01:18:16,729 --> 01:18:15,179
just will not go outside that Dogma but

1833
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:16,739
artists show up and artists have this

1834
01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:19,290
Liberty to explore things as they are

1835
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:21,480
and I don't care if it's I don't care

1836
01:18:25,729 --> 01:18:23,100
what it is I'm just gonna go with what

1837
01:18:28,209 --> 01:18:25,739
the information is and and that I think

1838
01:18:30,530 --> 01:18:28,219
is another thing that makes Egypt so

1839
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:30,540
attractive and so timeless for people

1840
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:31,980
because people sense in some unconscious

1841
01:18:35,660 --> 01:18:33,630
sense that there's something here that's

1842
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:35,670
a direct benefit from me and it's not

1843
01:18:41,630 --> 01:18:37,530
just something I think about it's

1844
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:41,640
something that you do did you mention za

1845
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:45,300
he did he was he around when he shot the

1846
01:18:51,029 --> 01:18:48,719
first series yeah I've constantly had to

1847
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:51,039
meet with him and I

1848
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:52,089
I can't really there's a lot of things

1849
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:53,289
you're not supposed to do in Egypt you

1850
01:18:56,969 --> 01:18:55,449
just have to kind of do right and you

1851
01:18:59,039 --> 01:18:56,979
either get a restaurant arrest get

1852
01:19:00,389 --> 01:18:59,049
arrested but let's without mentioning

1853
01:19:02,609 --> 01:19:00,399
any certain people there seems to be

1854
01:19:04,679 --> 01:19:02,619
this force that presents itself as a

1855
01:19:06,839 --> 01:19:04,689
custodian Ovation Egypt but in fact it's

1856
01:19:08,969 --> 01:19:06,849
more like a gatekeeper and recently you

1857
01:19:10,589 --> 01:19:08,979
know when that team used those photon

1858
01:19:13,289 --> 01:19:10,599
scans and it looks like they found this

1859
01:19:16,099 --> 01:19:13,299
space in the pyramid way before you can

1860
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:16,109
make any conclusions based on the data

1861
01:19:20,069 --> 01:19:18,489
these certain entities were out there

1862
01:19:21,089 --> 01:19:20,079
already saying nope that's not true

1863
01:19:22,829 --> 01:19:21,099
that's not true nothing to see here

1864
01:19:23,849 --> 01:19:22,839
folks well you know that old thing you

1865
01:19:25,109 --> 01:19:23,859
don't have to go home but you can't stay

1866
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:25,119
here nothing to see here folks

1867
01:19:30,629 --> 01:19:29,199
and so and every time I've been in Egypt

1868
01:19:32,099 --> 01:19:30,639
and throughout this process and John's

1869
01:19:33,449 --> 01:19:32,109
life has been much more impacted by this

1870
01:19:35,639 --> 01:19:33,459
than me that there's this constant

1871
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:35,649
vigilant force it seems to be dedicated

1872
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:38,530
to us not knowing the coolest things

1873
01:19:42,179 --> 01:19:40,209
about Egypt but I just I just don't

1874
01:19:44,879 --> 01:19:42,189
understand I just don't understand that

1875
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:44,889
and I kind of have taken it upon myself

1876
01:19:53,339 --> 01:19:48,729
to be the counter force for that did he

1877
01:20:00,059 --> 01:19:53,349
did he review anything no so you got

1878
01:20:02,099 --> 01:20:00,069
away with that yeah I heard that he's

1879
01:20:04,379 --> 01:20:02,109
trying to push his way back into things

1880
01:20:07,289 --> 01:20:04,389
over there let's hope it doesn't happen

1881
01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:07,299
but did you if you want to hear a

1882
01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:10,030
hilarious conversation about Zahi like I

1883
01:20:12,029 --> 01:20:11,049
don't like to get in fights and stuff

1884
01:20:13,409 --> 01:20:12,039
but if you're a person who has a

1885
01:20:14,789 --> 01:20:13,419
sadistic streak and you like to hear

1886
01:20:17,009 --> 01:20:14,799
really smart people fight with one

1887
01:20:19,559 --> 01:20:17,019
another Robert Bauval is this really

1888
01:20:21,899 --> 01:20:19,569
public ongoing feud with sahi and it is

1889
01:20:25,169 --> 01:20:21,909
just hilarious to hear the two of them

1890
01:20:27,929 --> 01:20:25,179
go at it because there's a lot of things

1891
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,939
that are just you can't hide behind and

1892
01:20:30,899 --> 01:20:28,719
there's a lot of things that are

1893
01:20:33,239 --> 01:20:30,909
unforgivable and the demand and the

1894
01:20:34,739 --> 01:20:33,249
imperative that this information that

1895
01:20:36,179 --> 01:20:34,749
literally could change humanity if

1896
01:20:39,509 --> 01:20:36,189
someone were just honest about it

1897
01:20:41,489 --> 01:20:39,519
why would you want to be the guy that

1898
01:20:42,929 --> 01:20:41,499
prevents the world from knowing about

1899
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:42,939
this stuff I just don't understand it

1900
01:20:47,549 --> 01:20:46,239
are you outside on your patio yeah you

1901
01:20:49,829 --> 01:20:47,559
heard noise yep

1902
01:20:53,009 --> 01:20:49,839
I'm picturing you in the nice beautiful

1903
01:20:55,349 --> 01:20:53,019
Brisbane day well you want to see it we

1904
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:55,359
live on a volcano and there's sugar

1905
01:20:58,919 --> 01:20:57,489
fields all around us and you can see the

1906
01:21:00,750 --> 01:20:58,929
ocean in the distance of that door there

1907
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:00,760
sweetie close that door man so it is

1908
01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:03,250
amazing it's very alive here

1909
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:05,260
we talked briefly about this everything

1910
01:21:08,250 --> 01:21:06,910
in Australia is constantly trying to

1911
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:08,260
kill you there's just everything

1912
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:10,270
poisonous and riptides and spiders and

1913
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:12,580
snakes and you're just like four or five

1914
01:21:16,890 --> 01:21:14,830
percent more alive because you could die

1915
01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:16,900
at any moment and the land here is like

1916
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:18,190
coming from Los Angeles where everything

1917
01:21:23,550 --> 01:21:20,170
was all paved over and everything's dead

1918
01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:23,560
right you don't remember what it was

1919
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:26,020
like two bugs and birds and just there's

1920
01:21:31,650 --> 01:21:27,850
not a square inch here that isn't

1921
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,660
wiggling around with something and it is

1922
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:33,520
beautiful as you mentioned and the

1923
01:21:36,689 --> 01:21:35,050
society is just as beautiful there's

1924
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:36,699
one-tenth as many people as in the state

1925
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:38,410
so everyone's a character and everyone's

1926
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:40,000
larger-than-life and it's just an

1927
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:41,890
awesome place yeah coming from LA we're

1928
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:43,900
the oldest thing we have here is in and

1929
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:46,510
out burger all right the oldest thing in

1930
01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:52,960
la is the lead-based paint now this is

1931
01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:55,180
what I wanted to ask you what going

1932
01:21:59,400 --> 01:21:57,580
around Egypt and and filming all of

1933
01:22:03,390 --> 01:21:59,410
these temples and everything and and

1934
01:22:06,060 --> 01:22:03,400
then you come back to Giza does it match

1935
01:22:09,780 --> 01:22:06,070
to you does Giza feel like it's it's

1936
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,790
older I mean or the same ages as some of

1937
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:11,920
these other temples from the early

1938
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:14,050
dynastic period or does it seem

1939
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:17,410
completely mismatched and like extremely

1940
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:19,930
old well that's a million-dollar

1941
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,550
question about Egypt is there's three

1942
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:23,199
places that are dead giveaways that

1943
01:22:26,459 --> 01:22:24,400
there was something really interesting

1944
01:22:27,390 --> 01:22:26,469
there going on before Egypt and if you

1945
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:27,400
study the art and if you study

1946
01:22:30,990 --> 01:22:29,650
architecture there's these really three

1947
01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:31,000
there's a million's but there's three

1948
01:22:35,070 --> 01:22:33,460
really prominent instances where clearly

1949
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:35,080
these weren't made by the same people

1950
01:22:40,110 --> 01:22:36,760
and the same architectural and aesthetic

1951
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:40,120
idea so one is the Osirian right right

1952
01:22:43,979 --> 01:22:41,770
one is the pyramid and then right next

1953
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:43,989
to the pyramid the valley temple so the

1954
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,489
pyramid I mean the Osirian and the

1955
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:47,199
valley temple are made in this post and

1956
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:48,550
lintel structure like you see in

1957
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:50,290
Stonehenge mm-hmm and there's no

1958
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:51,730
hieroglyphs there's no hieroglyphs on

1959
01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:53,650
them um you still incidentally find the

1960
01:22:56,729 --> 01:22:55,150
sacred geometry and you find that

1961
01:23:00,020 --> 01:22:56,739
ability to work with incredibly

1962
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:00,030
difficult materials but it looks like

1963
01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:03,190
Stonehenge it's a just completely much

1964
01:23:07,229 --> 01:23:05,949
more brutish and more kind of alien you

1965
01:23:09,390 --> 01:23:07,239
know if you I've always been a fan of

1966
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:09,400
science fiction artwork and there's some

1967
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:12,370
illustrators that do things with alien

1968
01:23:15,570 --> 01:23:14,110
architecture that it just looks like

1969
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:15,580
people didn't do it and

1970
01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:17,290
the pyramid is one of my favorite

1971
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:19,660
scratching posts about this subject

1972
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:20,920
because the pyramid was not made for

1973
01:23:25,530 --> 01:23:23,670
human architecture like if you were a

1974
01:23:27,090 --> 01:23:25,540
velociraptor or something that if your

1975
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:27,100
hips were different and you walked like

1976
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:28,900
a velociraptor the pyramid would be

1977
01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:30,250
quite a comfortable place I'm not saying

1978
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:32,920
that I think dinosaurs appear but some

1979
01:23:38,370 --> 01:23:35,920
it's clearly not made for people and it

1980
01:23:40,290 --> 01:23:38,380
was made for something that you know

1981
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:40,300
Robert Bauval of course is very

1982
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,970
interesting about riffing on what the

1983
01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:44,080
pyramid might have been built for it

1984
01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:45,670
there's a mill you know for every person

1985
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:46,900
out there there's a different idea about

1986
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:49,330
what the pyramids before but I'm not an

1987
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:51,450
expert on that what I am an expert on is

1988
01:23:55,380 --> 01:23:53,470
aesthetics and the functionality of

1989
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:55,390
structure you know and this thing was

1990
01:23:59,900 --> 01:23:58,330
not built for people and you know all

1991
01:24:01,740 --> 01:23:59,910
those little things they've never found

1992
01:24:03,060 --> 01:24:01,750
well they said these are all other

1993
01:24:04,620 --> 01:24:03,070
people's arguments but they've never

1994
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:04,630
there's no hieroglyphs inside and

1995
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:08,080
there's no there's this giant tomb but

1996
01:24:11,460 --> 01:24:09,760
they never really pulled a body out the

1997
01:24:12,630 --> 01:24:11,470
tomb apparently in the pyramid by the

1998
01:24:13,710 --> 01:24:12,640
way is not where it's supposed to be

1999
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:13,720
that's something not many people know

2000
01:24:16,980 --> 01:24:15,730
like what would the pyramid do if that

2001
01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:16,990
tomb was right in the middle of the room

2002
01:24:21,810 --> 01:24:20,470
like it's supposed to be mm-hmm and so

2003
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,820
the other thing that I was interested in

2004
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:23,440
just being kind of an amateur musician

2005
01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:27,970
is that acoustic engineers the pyramid

2006
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:29,980
was built so that the rooms have these

2007
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:33,850
resonant proportions so if you're

2008
01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:36,130
standing in the in the King's Chamber in

2009
01:24:40,830 --> 01:24:38,440
the Great Pyramid its surfaced with this

2010
01:24:42,510 --> 01:24:40,840
rose quartz crystal and the rose quartz

2011
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:42,520
is unique for having these piezoelectric

2012
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:44,170
crystals which is what makes an electric

2013
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:47,370
guitar work as you know and it converts

2014
01:24:52,890 --> 01:24:51,310
sound it converts it's like a digital to

2015
01:24:55,050 --> 01:24:52,900
analog converter only it converts I

2016
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:55,060
think sound to vibration or vibration to

2017
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:57,010
light or something anyway the reason of

2018
01:24:59,310 --> 01:24:58,480
electric guitar works is the vibration

2019
01:25:00,780 --> 01:24:59,320
of the strings go through a

2020
01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:00,790
piezoelectric crystal that turns it into

2021
01:25:05,490 --> 01:25:03,430
these minuscule electronic signals and

2022
01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:05,500
so when you go into the Kings pyramid

2023
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:07,900
you start making noise something happens

2024
01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:09,610
where you literally can't understand

2025
01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:11,350
yourself if you talk in a regular

2026
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:12,940
speaking voice it starts feeding back

2027
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:15,130
and so you have to whisper that's really

2028
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:16,570
weird if you want to communicate at all

2029
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:19,690
and if you go in there specifically

2030
01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:21,310
trying to research this you can do this

2031
01:25:25,810 --> 01:25:22,540
thing in the rooms where you walk into a

2032
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:27,100
and all the way up and there'll be a

2033
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:28,550
certain frequency that's the resonant

2034
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,140
frequency of the room and if you hit

2035
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:32,000
that you just keep doing that

2036
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:33,530
and it feeds back on you and you

2037
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,450
literally make your molecules start

2038
01:25:38,770 --> 01:25:37,280
vibrating and there's something there

2039
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:38,780
that's way beyond me but there was a

2040
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:42,170
technology there that involved the human

2041
01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:45,050
voice in some way and I'm fascinated by

2042
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:47,150
that and you know how so much of the

2043
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:48,650
later you know occult traditions and

2044
01:25:51,850 --> 01:25:49,970
religious traditions had to do with

2045
01:25:55,210 --> 01:25:51,860
vocalizing and in toning and chanting

2046
01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:55,220
and stuff so I can't say that I know

2047
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:57,800
specifically what it is but it seems to

2048
01:26:01,540 --> 01:25:59,600
be involved in a technology that hasn't

2049
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:01,550
been around in a long time you know and

2050
01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:03,770
the Egyptology so say hi you know it's

2051
01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:07,340
just it just happened that way no it

2052
01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:11,390
didn't but if you understand the golden

2053
01:26:14,979 --> 01:26:13,640
section and sacred proportions there are

2054
01:26:16,300 --> 01:26:14,989
these certain things and it's very easy

2055
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:16,310
to say oh it's just accidental that it

2056
01:26:20,530 --> 01:26:18,290
turned out that way but to get an exact

2057
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:20,540
golden ratio and the Kings pyramid is a

2058
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:22,610
three dimensional golden ratio so the

2059
01:26:26,350 --> 01:26:24,710
rectangle of the floor is a golden ratio

2060
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,360
but then the heights and the volume is

2061
01:26:30,729 --> 01:26:28,400
this exact multiple of the human voice

2062
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:30,739
so if your vocal wavelength for a man

2063
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:33,910
this say at a certain notice twenty feet

2064
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:36,110
then if you're standing exactly 20 feet

2065
01:26:39,610 --> 01:26:37,310
away from something or if you're in the

2066
01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:39,620
middle of a room that's 40 feet wide you

2067
01:26:43,210 --> 01:26:41,030
start chanting and then you get this

2068
01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:43,220
perfect feedback where the wave going to

2069
01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:44,270
the wall is the same as the way of

2070
01:26:48,490 --> 01:26:46,940
coming back and it is the freakiest

2071
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:48,500
thing you have ever experienced if

2072
01:26:51,940 --> 01:26:49,970
you've ever been in the middle of one of

2073
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,950
those feedback things but it's

2074
01:26:55,420 --> 01:26:54,080
impossible it's easy to say it was

2075
01:26:56,740 --> 01:26:55,430
coincidence but when you start looking

2076
01:26:58,210 --> 01:26:56,750
at and same with the art that the

2077
01:27:00,370 --> 01:26:58,220
Egyptologists say there's no use of the

2078
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,380
golden section in the art but it's not

2079
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:02,480
something you just happen upon yeah the

2080
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:05,810
the golden ratio is all over it's just

2081
01:27:09,670 --> 01:27:08,239
not in one spot then you could say wow

2082
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:09,680
it may be an accident

2083
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:13,010
and but no it is complain it's such a

2084
01:27:17,710 --> 01:27:14,810
large structure you know you're talking

2085
01:27:22,030 --> 01:27:17,720
about 480 feet tall that have the golden

2086
01:27:24,130 --> 01:27:22,040
ratio in involved in every aspect of the

2087
01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:24,140
Great Pyramid then it is beyond acts

2088
01:27:28,330 --> 01:27:26,390
beyond coincidence there's just no way

2089
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:28,340
let's take a break right here chance our

2090
01:27:34,630 --> 01:27:30,710
guest tonight chance gardener director

2091
01:27:37,570 --> 01:27:34,640
of magical Egypt 1 & 2 follow me on

2092
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,580
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2095
01:27:45,530 --> 01:27:43,890
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2096
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:45,540
discuss that when we come back

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the way through episode four yeah

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yeah episode 4 is out now for people

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that don't know and we're working hard

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on getting five and six done by

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Christmas so there's lots of episodes to

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choose from and each one the psychedelic

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experience and so and this will continue

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so then when they go and they log in

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they just click on my library and you'll

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just keep things updated yeah oh man

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01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:48,710
thank you thank you for doing I mean

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01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:51,410
it's just extraordinary now also I

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01:32:56,770 --> 01:32:54,170
wanted to go through a little bit here

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01:32:59,140 --> 01:32:56,780
we have to the cast of characters yeah

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01:33:01,330 --> 01:32:59,150
you've got graham hancock richard

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01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,340
Corsaro who has not only been on this

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01:33:06,580 --> 01:33:03,920
show but somebody that i have mad

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01:33:09,220 --> 01:33:06,590
respect for that they it's just a really

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01:33:10,540 --> 01:33:09,230
talented researcher isn't he awesome i

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01:33:14,110 --> 01:33:10,550
heard your interview with him last night

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01:33:16,780 --> 01:33:14,120
oh you did yeah Richard I mean it's one

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01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:16,790
of those things and you you do a really

2197
01:33:24,930 --> 01:33:20,000
effective presentation with him on the

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01:33:28,660 --> 01:33:24,940
latest episode but once you start to see

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what's going on in a transoceanic sense

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01:33:36,130 --> 01:33:31,730
right this is a global thing this isn't

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01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:36,140
localized and everybody is building the

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01:33:41,620 --> 01:33:38,090
same thing they are doing the same

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01:33:43,150 --> 01:33:41,630
artwork the same sculptures and the

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01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:43,160
presentation you do with him

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01:33:48,490 --> 01:33:45,260
is absolutely that what did he call it

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01:33:52,180 --> 01:33:48,500
the god godself icon it's a god self

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01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:52,190
icon I mean I nearly blew my frontal

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01:33:56,530 --> 01:33:53,020
lobes

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01:33:57,970 --> 01:33:56,540
that was what would let me ask you about

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01:33:59,500 --> 01:33:57,980
that for a second when he started to

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01:34:02,920 --> 01:33:59,510
look at all of this evidence of the

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godself which spans thousands of years

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01:34:09,670 --> 01:34:06,230
every culture every culture on this

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01:34:13,630 --> 01:34:09,680
planet was doing the not not similar

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01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:13,640
with the exact same thing how did that

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01:34:18,430 --> 01:34:16,730
hit you um you know because that's spent

2217
01:34:20,140 --> 01:34:18,440
so much time in television I know that

2218
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:20,150
there's certain topics that just are not

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01:34:26,170 --> 01:34:24,410
for public consumption and I was just a

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01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:26,180
nut for Matt graining in the Simpsons

2221
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:28,130
when I worked at Fox like I started

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01:34:31,870 --> 01:34:30,110
before the war before Fox became the

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01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:31,880
cheerleader for the Lord it used to be

2224
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:33,200
this I was so proud to work there

2225
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:34,250
because that's where the Simpsons were

2226
01:34:38,890 --> 01:34:36,650
made and I started noticing that there

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01:34:40,420 --> 01:34:38,900
are certain subjects that never got

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01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:40,430
through standards there are funny things

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01:34:42,850 --> 01:34:41,510
I probably shouldn't talk about what

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01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:42,860
they are but they're really funny things

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01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:44,570
but these subjects that the writers kept

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01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:45,920
trying to put in the scripts and the

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01:34:49,450 --> 01:34:47,360
standards and practices people at Fox

2234
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:49,460
were like nope we are not going to be

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01:34:53,020 --> 01:34:51,770
expressing this idea on TV so I was kind

2236
01:34:54,190 --> 01:34:53,030
of familiar with the idea that there's

2237
01:34:55,870 --> 01:34:54,200
certain ideas that are for public

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01:34:57,130 --> 01:34:55,880
consumption certain ideas that aren't

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01:34:59,530 --> 01:34:57,140
I'll try and tell the story really

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01:35:01,240 --> 01:34:59,540
quickly this just strange thing happened

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01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:01,250
to me once when Venise and I were young

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01:35:04,540 --> 01:35:02,810
and in the courtship period we were in

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01:35:06,580 --> 01:35:04,550
New York and we were flying to London

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01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:06,590
and we had an hour before we got on the

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01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:08,030
plane and we walked through this

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01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:09,440
bookstore it was amazing New York

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01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:11,090
bookstores and I got a couple of books

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01:35:14,410 --> 01:35:13,010
didn't really have anything in mind and

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01:35:16,330 --> 01:35:14,420
this book like kind of almost fell off

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01:35:18,910 --> 01:35:16,340
the shelf on me and it was this book

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01:35:20,140 --> 01:35:18,920
called cultivating male sexuality it was

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01:35:21,490 --> 01:35:20,150
just not something I would have been

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01:35:24,010 --> 01:35:21,500
interested in normally but I don't know

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01:35:26,770 --> 01:35:24,020
why it just kind of jumped out the shelf

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01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:26,780
at me mantequilla was the author and it

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01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:28,370
was about this thing that you just he

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01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:30,260
almost never hear about except when

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01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:31,760
insane people are talking about it or if

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01:35:38,020 --> 01:35:34,130
you go to yoga class a lot which is this

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01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:38,030
ancient ancient practice that employs

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01:35:43,330 --> 01:35:40,400
the certain type or the certain aspect

2262
01:35:45,310 --> 01:35:43,340
of your nervous system and it uses this

2263
01:35:47,740 --> 01:35:45,320
negative and positive polarity in your

2264
01:35:49,450 --> 01:35:47,750
body pretty much at this day and age

2265
01:35:51,970 --> 01:35:49,460
everyone is familiar with Kundalini I

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01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:51,980
would assume and the schematic of

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01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:53,570
Kundalini shows the human body and you

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01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:55,610
have this circuit called the Ida and a

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01:35:58,930 --> 01:35:57,170
circuit called the Pingala and once my

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01:36:00,460 --> 01:35:58,940
own once female was red ones white and

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01:36:04,630 --> 01:36:00,470
then this central thing called the

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01:36:06,130 --> 01:36:04,640
sushumna and so it's such a strange

2273
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:06,140
thing and I think because it has to do

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01:36:08,669 --> 01:36:06,400
with

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01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:08,679
sort of called a psychosexual circuitry

2276
01:36:11,790 --> 01:36:10,630
because there's this aspect of lurid

2277
01:36:13,950 --> 01:36:11,800
nough sebat it because involves

2278
01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:13,960
sexuality and consciousness like it

2279
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:15,310
acknowledges the role that sexuality

2280
01:36:21,209 --> 01:36:17,890
plays in consciousness it's sort of in

2281
01:36:23,939 --> 01:36:21,219
itself this really dissident kind of

2282
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:23,949
forbidden topic and so just because you

2283
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:26,080
know I love strange forbidden things I

2284
01:36:30,180 --> 01:36:27,610
started reading this and I just became

2285
01:36:32,939 --> 01:36:30,190
fascinated with this and then once you

2286
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:32,949
understand that in the Western cultures

2287
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:34,840
this never comes up but in the East it's

2288
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:37,840
you know it's it's not hidden at all I

2289
01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:39,340
mean in some cultures hide it more than

2290
01:36:41,340 --> 01:36:40,900
others but like in Thailand in places

2291
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:41,350
like that

2292
01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:43,330
all the architecture and everywhere you

2293
01:36:48,270 --> 01:36:45,070
look and all the religious symbolism all

2294
01:36:50,729 --> 01:36:48,280
relates to the symbolism of two snakes

2295
01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:50,739
two intertwining snakes invent me that

2296
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:52,750
the third eye and so the whole symbolism

2297
01:36:57,060 --> 01:36:54,610
of the third eye and the symbolism of

2298
01:36:59,130 --> 01:36:57,070
these intertwined snakes is present in

2299
01:37:01,380 --> 01:36:59,140
every single culture and it always means

2300
01:37:03,090 --> 01:37:01,390
the same thing and by the external

2301
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:03,100
translation of it tends to change from

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01:37:06,540 --> 01:37:04,750
culture to culture and then of the men

2303
01:37:08,610 --> 01:37:06,550
and the Western world especially after

2304
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:08,620
that Victorian hangover that you know we

2305
01:37:14,580 --> 01:37:11,650
had from this 1800s you just can't talk

2306
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:14,590
about sexuality and especially say

2307
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:16,150
you're like a yoga for your sexuality

2308
01:37:19,470 --> 01:37:18,159
that actually results in these states of

2309
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:19,480
consciousness that you can't get at

2310
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:21,550
otherwise I just I loved how the whole

2311
01:37:27,959 --> 01:37:24,159
thing was so forbidden and also that

2312
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:27,969
once you focus in on this idea that all

2313
01:37:31,620 --> 01:37:30,040
of these ancient cultures in the days

2314
01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:31,630
before television and the days before

2315
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,260
you know whatever football there was

2316
01:37:40,590 --> 01:37:37,360
nothing to focus on except this crazy

2317
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:40,600
machinery that we have and somehow the

2318
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:41,920
ancients understood that there were

2319
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:44,080
these aspects or states of consciousness

2320
01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:46,810
modes of consciousness that you had to

2321
01:37:50,189 --> 01:37:48,040
do certain things to your body in your

2322
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:50,199
electrical system to allow your brain to

2323
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:51,280
access these higher states of

2324
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:53,199
consciousness and they involve

2325
01:37:56,729 --> 01:37:55,030
hallucinogens in some cases and they

2326
01:37:58,590 --> 01:37:56,739
involve these weird yogic things and

2327
01:38:01,380 --> 01:37:58,600
they involve sexual practices that are

2328
01:38:03,149 --> 01:38:01,390
non-standard sexual practices and and so

2329
01:38:05,580 --> 01:38:03,159
you can kind of see why this thing is

2330
01:38:07,770 --> 01:38:05,590
just a no-man's land just this tangled

2331
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:07,780
nightmare for anybody in academia or

2332
01:38:12,180 --> 01:38:09,730
anybody and Egyptology

2333
01:38:13,229 --> 01:38:12,190
but that snake that comes out you know

2334
01:38:14,910 --> 01:38:13,239
it's probably the most prominent

2335
01:38:17,370 --> 01:38:14,920
symbolism in Egypt the snake that comes

2336
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:17,380
out of the third eye that's a language

2337
01:38:21,090 --> 01:38:19,210
and there's no question what that

2338
01:38:22,919 --> 01:38:21,100
language means so you know going back to

2339
01:38:24,570 --> 01:38:22,929
what you're saying before about well

2340
01:38:26,459 --> 01:38:24,580
what made the project so interesting was

2341
01:38:28,890 --> 01:38:26,469
this is a look at each of through eyes

2342
01:38:30,959 --> 01:38:28,900
of artists and every artist notes that

2343
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:30,969
aren't speaks in this language and the

2344
01:38:36,750 --> 01:38:34,170
symbolism is this language and there's

2345
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:36,760
superficial things about symbolism but

2346
01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:39,010
all symbolism holds multiple layers of

2347
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:42,280
meaning and in every culture it seems

2348
01:38:45,810 --> 01:38:43,810
like they were trying to immortalize

2349
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:45,820
this thing that nowadays is extremely

2350
01:38:49,950 --> 01:38:48,370
taboo and weird to talk about subject

2351
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:49,960
but there's artists you know we have

2352
01:38:52,530 --> 01:38:51,070
this certain Liberty where we're

2353
01:38:54,270 --> 01:38:52,540
encouraged you know you know that word

2354
01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:54,280
psycho pump you know the psycho populace

2355
01:38:58,979 --> 01:38:56,710
is you're the person to across the

2356
01:39:00,660 --> 01:38:58,989
threshold to death the artists role in

2357
01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:00,670
society has always been as a psycho Punk

2358
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:02,350
to grab people by the hand and pull them

2359
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,210
into these uncomfortable areas that are

2360
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:05,920
scary you know because they're new and

2361
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:08,560
they're scary because all of our you

2362
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:11,770
know our authority figures tell them you

2363
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:13,050
know want us to stay away from them

2364
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:15,370
which for me makes me want to do it all

2365
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:16,480
the more Android's

2366
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:19,449
and so as an artist we're completely

2367
01:39:23,250 --> 01:39:21,730
free and kind of encouraged to pick up

2368
01:39:25,379 --> 01:39:23,260
these things that academia and

2369
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:25,389
Egyptology won't touch with a ten-foot

2370
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:27,850
pole and it turns out that the very most

2371
01:39:32,209 --> 01:39:30,010
prominent symbolism in Egypt points to

2372
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:32,219
this thing that is the central core

2373
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:36,449
Taoism and Buddhism and a bunch of other

2374
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,000
traditions from the past that clearly

2375
01:39:45,180 --> 01:39:42,400
this was an incredibly important thing

2376
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:45,190
that all humans had to know you weren't

2377
01:39:48,660 --> 01:39:46,480
a finished person unless you knew it

2378
01:39:51,959 --> 01:39:48,670
alternately is why you're here to

2379
01:39:55,410 --> 01:39:51,969
develop these circuits and get finisher

2380
01:39:56,610 --> 01:39:55,420
consciousness and so I loved the

2381
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:56,620
radicalness of it I love the

2382
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,330
salaciousness of it and I loved how it

2383
01:40:01,260 --> 01:40:00,159
was a subject that really only artists

2384
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:01,270
can treat with any kind of

2385
01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:04,210
respectability because it is on this you

2386
01:40:09,629 --> 01:40:06,340
know it's in the shadow hands

2387
01:40:10,770 --> 01:40:09,639
it's a strange back alley but you have

2388
01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:10,780
to acknowledge these things if you

2389
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:12,100
really want to understand what ancient

2390
01:40:15,090 --> 01:40:13,570
Egypt was about and then once you start

2391
01:40:16,649 --> 01:40:15,100
thinking in that way and you start

2392
01:40:21,419 --> 01:40:16,659
seeing the symbols you see on everywhere

2393
01:40:22,620 --> 01:40:21,429
you know in architecture and in

2394
01:40:25,530 --> 01:40:22,630
symbolism and in little things like

2395
01:40:26,879 --> 01:40:25,540
Santa Claus myths and you know get Brad

2396
01:40:28,620 --> 01:40:26,889
Claussen talking about this in an

2397
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:28,630
upcoming episode when you sit down and

2398
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:29,679
look at all the things that we were

2399
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:30,159
taught

2400
01:40:35,419 --> 01:40:32,110
childhood as metaphors and myths and

2401
01:40:37,409 --> 01:40:35,429
legends a lot of them are veiled

2402
01:40:39,719 --> 01:40:37,419
transmissions of this ancient science

2403
01:40:41,219 --> 01:40:39,729
but there was the thing that happened

2404
01:40:43,259 --> 01:40:41,229
you know with the Christian colonization

2405
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:43,269
of the Western mind that there's just

2406
01:40:45,719 --> 01:40:44,800
certain things where you're not supposed

2407
01:40:48,419 --> 01:40:45,729
to think about them or you're not

2408
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:48,429
supposed to talk about them and and so

2409
01:40:51,419 --> 01:40:50,110
when you start looking at the art and

2410
01:40:53,609 --> 01:40:51,429
that's the most important thing that the

2411
01:40:55,229 --> 01:40:53,619
art expresses we found ourselves a kind

2412
01:40:57,449 --> 01:40:55,239
of a strange position you know but as

2413
01:40:58,919 --> 01:40:57,459
artists it's kind of our role and

2414
01:41:01,439 --> 01:40:58,929
especially is you know if you think of

2415
01:41:04,469 --> 01:41:01,449
yourself as a punk rock punk rock voice

2416
01:41:06,689 --> 01:41:04,479
or a voice of moving society out of out

2417
01:41:08,909 --> 01:41:06,699
of this old Victorian ISM into this bold

2418
01:41:11,879 --> 01:41:08,919
new age it's something that the Western

2419
01:41:16,379 --> 01:41:11,889
world has to acknowledge and return to

2420
01:41:18,659 --> 01:41:16,389
is that this weird electrical

2421
01:41:20,729 --> 01:41:18,669
psychosexual circuitry in your body is

2422
01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:20,739
this just incredibly cool topic that

2423
01:41:23,250 --> 01:41:21,820
used to be the most important thing in

2424
01:41:25,649 --> 01:41:23,260
the world and it makes me wonder where

2425
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,659
did it go and how my life be different

2426
01:41:30,569 --> 01:41:27,760
for the individual if this technology

2427
01:41:34,409 --> 01:41:30,579
was returned to us well how do you think

2428
01:41:38,399 --> 01:41:34,419
and especially when we're looking at the

2429
01:41:41,159 --> 01:41:38,409
these icons these gods or kings that are

2430
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:41,169
holding these staffs or snakes or

2431
01:41:48,569 --> 01:41:45,090
whatever it is but the the symbolism is

2432
01:41:50,819 --> 01:41:48,579
exactly the same how do you think

2433
01:41:52,649 --> 01:41:50,829
because you know that they weren't you

2434
01:41:56,339 --> 01:41:52,659
know the Egyptians weren't hanging out

2435
01:41:58,620 --> 01:41:56,349
in Peru you know fifteen hundred years

2436
01:42:00,479 --> 01:41:58,630
later or a thousand years later there

2437
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:00,489
wasn't any communication there and that

2438
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:05,050
goes into Asia and into Mesoamerica the

2439
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:07,119
communication wasn't there but the

2440
01:42:15,689 --> 01:42:13,570
symbolism is exact what how how is this

2441
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:15,699
achieved I I still don't understand

2442
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:20,169
unless it's like part of our DNA in the

2443
01:42:26,549 --> 01:42:24,489
show we look at three different things

2444
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:26,559
to answer your question bluntly I don't

2445
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:27,760
know and I think it might be like the

2446
01:42:31,529 --> 01:42:29,530
pyramid that maybe nobody will ever know

2447
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:31,539
definitively the answer to that there's

2448
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:33,130
three compelling arguments that come up

2449
01:42:36,689 --> 01:42:35,530
most of the time the first one is the

2450
01:42:38,219 --> 01:42:36,699
least compelling but they all just

2451
01:42:39,839 --> 01:42:38,229
spontaneously thought of the exact same

2452
01:42:41,879 --> 01:42:39,849
thing in the exact same symbols all by

2453
01:42:43,710 --> 01:42:41,889
themselves the second idea is that there

2454
01:42:46,230 --> 01:42:43,720
is a mother culture that fed all

2455
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:46,240
these cultures way way way back right

2456
01:42:49,980 --> 01:42:48,910
and that's pretty plausible and then

2457
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:49,990
well there's the fourth one that's very

2458
01:42:52,830 --> 01:42:51,490
contentious that aliens came and taught

2459
01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:52,840
us that and that's you know that's a

2460
01:42:57,870 --> 01:42:55,060
kind of slippery slope and then there's

2461
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:57,880
this other thing that if you have a

2462
01:43:01,050 --> 01:42:59,290
bunch of time on your hands and there's

2463
01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:01,060
no TV and there's no mall you can go to

2464
01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:02,590
and the only thing you have to look at

2465
01:43:08,490 --> 01:43:06,580
is your stars and yourself everyone has

2466
01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:08,500
the same equipment so if everyone is

2467
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:10,150
just looking at what they have and if

2468
01:43:15,090 --> 01:43:13,210
everyone is describing it I can kind of

2469
01:43:16,740 --> 01:43:15,100
see similarities if everyone is secretly

2470
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:16,750
just describing the mechanics of

2471
01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:18,490
consciousness or the structures of

2472
01:43:22,230 --> 01:43:20,740
consciousness I kind of see a similarity

2473
01:43:25,140 --> 01:43:22,240
through all these things but the fact

2474
01:43:26,610 --> 01:43:25,150
that the same symbolism is used and once

2475
01:43:29,580 --> 01:43:26,620
you start identifying this Ida and

2476
01:43:32,100 --> 01:43:29,590
Pingala this Yogi Kundalini tantric

2477
01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:32,110
symbolism you see it everywhere and I've

2478
01:43:35,670 --> 01:43:34,120
never realized the Mayans you know I

2479
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:35,680
lived in California so it wasn't a big

2480
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:38,050
deal to go down south and look at all

2481
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,940
those the Mayan temples and I actually

2482
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:41,440
went down there a big shooting spree I

2483
01:43:44,250 --> 01:43:42,850
never did anything with the footage but

2484
01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:44,260
if you go to those temples and look at

2485
01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:46,510
those things they have symbolism of the

2486
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:48,580
snake and it's just in Egypt you see the

2487
01:43:53,940 --> 01:43:51,520
snakes climbing up staffs you know the

2488
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:53,950
staff is symbolic of the spine or the

2489
01:43:59,760 --> 01:43:56,110
snake is symbolic of these circuits the

2490
01:44:01,140 --> 01:43:59,770
Mayans or Aztecs were so aesthetically

2491
01:44:02,910 --> 01:44:01,150
minded they have a very different art

2492
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:02,920
direction but it's the same symbols and

2493
01:44:07,050 --> 01:44:04,930
it's the same thing and one of them I

2494
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:07,060
think the temple Chapel has these snakes

2495
01:44:10,770 --> 01:44:09,550
coming down the in fact the snakes

2496
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:10,780
aren't there in the architecture they're

2497
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:13,210
implied but then when the Sun does this

2498
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,250
certain thing on the Solstice the whole

2499
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:16,960
statute or the whole lot pyramids lined

2500
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:19,780
up so that the light from the Sun on the

2501
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:21,600
CIL's dis or the equinoxes or something

2502
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:24,130
creates in light and shadow this snake

2503
01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:25,840
and as the Sun moves the snake climbs

2504
01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:28,390
the stairs it is just this beautiful

2505
01:44:33,930 --> 01:44:30,790
metaphor for the rising of the Kundalini

2506
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:33,940
snakes and Venise and I just went to

2507
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:36,490
Thailand and Singapore recently and

2508
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:38,110
Thailand just they wear it on their

2509
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,530
sleeve

2510
01:44:43,650 --> 01:44:40,480
everything is climbing serpents

2511
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:43,660
intertwined and this symbolism of how

2512
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:44,890
you have to body you know you have a

2513
01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:46,450
spiritual self in a physical self and

2514
01:44:50,850 --> 01:44:48,940
there's a constant struggle between your

2515
01:44:52,230 --> 01:44:50,860
physical desires and your spiritual or

2516
01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:52,240
you know your cycle spiritual desires

2517
01:44:55,770 --> 01:44:54,160
and so once you become aware of it like

2518
01:44:58,320 --> 01:44:55,780
you said you start seeing it everywhere

2519
01:45:00,150 --> 01:44:58,330
and then you really start understanding

2520
01:45:03,420 --> 01:45:00,160
that there's a very important part of

2521
01:45:05,010 --> 01:45:03,430
our history that has been intentionally

2522
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:05,020
or unintentionally kept from us

2523
01:45:12,090 --> 01:45:09,280
and it's kind of I think there's an

2524
01:45:14,220 --> 01:45:12,100
imperative there because this is a lost

2525
01:45:15,900 --> 01:45:14,230
technology that is a technology of

2526
01:45:18,060 --> 01:45:15,910
amplifying consciousness of creating

2527
01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:18,070
genius and creating getting your brain

2528
01:45:20,850 --> 01:45:19,390
into all these states that we think of a

2529
01:45:22,830 --> 01:45:20,860
supernatural but there are these basic

2530
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:22,840
functions of consciousness intuition and

2531
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:27,370
epiphany and these things that you know

2532
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:29,050
are kind of spoken about in the Western

2533
01:45:32,910 --> 01:45:30,490
world as if there's supernatural powers

2534
01:45:34,770 --> 01:45:32,920
but they're just these operating

2535
01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:34,780
properties of consciousness when you're

2536
01:45:37,230 --> 01:45:36,070
on the second or third floor of

2537
01:45:39,090 --> 01:45:37,240
consciousness there's different modes

2538
01:45:40,770 --> 01:45:39,100
you can get in you know how like alpha

2539
01:45:43,140 --> 01:45:40,780
state and theta state when you watch TV

2540
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:43,150
go from something state you go from an

2541
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:44,560
active mental state to I think it's a

2542
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:45,970
theta state where you're basically

2543
01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:47,170
hypnotized when you're watching

2544
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:48,760
television so your brain has these

2545
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:51,130
different states and the different

2546
01:45:54,570 --> 01:45:52,690
states have different properties or

2547
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:54,580
different tools in the tool belt and so

2548
01:46:00,480 --> 01:45:56,410
if you do these things and you charge

2549
01:46:02,130 --> 01:46:00,490
your body up I don't know how graphic to

2550
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:02,140
get here but if there's this just if you

2551
01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:03,370
don't expend yourself in this certain

2552
01:46:06,540 --> 01:46:05,380
way and you start charging your body up

2553
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:06,550
like a battery the more you accumulate

2554
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:09,490
or the sexual energy the more you start

2555
01:46:13,050 --> 01:46:11,290
having these much higher end thoughts

2556
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:13,060
and you start having this spontaneous

2557
01:46:17,550 --> 01:46:15,130
creativity and these weird epiphanies

2558
01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:17,560
and weird psychic flashes where you know

2559
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,820
what people are thinking or what they're

2560
01:46:23,070 --> 01:46:21,040
about to say and it's not crazy and it's

2561
01:46:25,650 --> 01:46:23,080
not supernatural it's just these latent

2562
01:46:27,450 --> 01:46:25,660
abilities of consciousness but that you

2563
01:46:29,010 --> 01:46:27,460
have to understand how to get your

2564
01:46:30,990 --> 01:46:29,020
electrical system in this place that

2565
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:31,000
allows these states of consciousness and

2566
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:33,900
so it's certainly not a subject I'm an

2567
01:46:38,970 --> 01:46:35,410
expert on

2568
01:46:40,710 --> 01:46:38,980
but ironically the yogic and tantric

2569
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:40,720
traditions have been around for

2570
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:42,610
thousands and thousands of years and

2571
01:46:46,590 --> 01:46:44,470
they're very explicit about this

2572
01:46:47,820 --> 01:46:46,600
self-directed evolution you can do but

2573
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,830
it's just one of those things in the

2574
01:46:51,870 --> 01:46:49,600
Western world it's been kept from us and

2575
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:51,880
it just it's like your inheritance got

2576
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:53,050
lost in the mail you know

2577
01:46:58,860 --> 01:46:56,080
well you said yeah I I think you are an

2578
01:47:02,280 --> 01:46:58,870
expert and now I'll tell you why and I

2579
01:47:05,070 --> 01:47:02,290
want you to respond you said to me a

2580
01:47:08,250 --> 01:47:05,080
couple of times actually said in email

2581
01:47:09,300 --> 01:47:08,260
to that you checked out of watching

2582
01:47:13,140 --> 01:47:09,310
television

2583
01:47:15,330 --> 01:47:13,150
and so in doing so that's exactly what

2584
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:15,340
the ancients did they didn't have

2585
01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:18,490
television so they were able to focus on

2586
01:47:23,820 --> 01:47:20,710
the self and all of these things that

2587
01:47:26,340 --> 01:47:23,830
connect us to each other and inside of

2588
01:47:29,010 --> 01:47:26,350
us do you think you're starting to

2589
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:29,020
realize maybe that they you know that's

2590
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:30,850
it that's exactly what they were doing

2591
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:33,520
that was their entertainment right well

2592
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:36,880
you have to explore the self as opposed

2593
01:47:41,730 --> 01:47:40,480
to being distracted and this forms of

2594
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:41,740
entertainment go that's a pretty good

2595
01:47:47,220 --> 01:47:43,180
one that's way better than going to the

2596
01:47:50,730 --> 01:47:47,230
market on a Sunday afternoon sure I'm on

2597
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:50,740
many levels compete with that once

2598
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:52,960
you've done that your interests tend to

2599
01:47:58,050 --> 01:47:56,320
shift and and it really is like all of a

2600
01:47:59,160 --> 01:47:58,060
sudden you know these wings that nobody

2601
01:48:00,920 --> 01:47:59,170
ever told you about her you know what I

2602
01:48:03,210 --> 01:48:00,930
think about a lot of imagine this

2603
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:03,220
alternate universe where Victorian isn't

2604
01:48:07,170 --> 01:48:05,410
really ran wild and to the point where

2605
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:07,180
we literally were programmed through

2606
01:48:10,910 --> 01:48:08,890
these series this generations of

2607
01:48:13,050 --> 01:48:10,920
Education to forget about sex altogether

2608
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,060
so that nobody ever talked about it

2609
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:15,280
nobody mentioned it and and and you have

2610
01:48:17,580 --> 01:48:16,630
the senile appendage that sticks out of

2611
01:48:19,050 --> 01:48:17,590
the front of you but nobody's ever

2612
01:48:20,340 --> 01:48:19,060
addressed when it's four and they just

2613
01:48:22,410 --> 01:48:20,350
say well that's horrible and it's of the

2614
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:22,420
devil so don't and then one day somebody

2615
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:23,920
gives you viagra and you're like well

2616
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:25,210
something's going on down here that

2617
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:26,830
we're gonna have to address and there's

2618
01:48:30,990 --> 01:48:28,510
nothing in my culture that addresses it

2619
01:48:32,430 --> 01:48:31,000
but it's this basic function and once

2620
01:48:34,710 --> 01:48:32,440
you learn about it it changes everything

2621
01:48:35,670 --> 01:48:34,720
you know and then suddenly you're quite

2622
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:35,680
a bit less interested in playing

2623
01:48:42,740 --> 01:48:39,130
softball or you know lead bowling the

2624
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:42,750
and the other the other part of that is

2625
01:48:49,290 --> 01:48:46,810
there had to have been and I'm not sure

2626
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:49,300
what but it was something that we don't

2627
01:48:55,370 --> 01:48:52,000
understand today for sure was the

2628
01:48:58,620 --> 01:48:55,380
ability to move these statues to carve

2629
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:58,630
the quarry the rock to move the rock to

2630
01:49:04,290 --> 01:49:02,080
carve the rock that is way beyond human

2631
01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:04,300
strength they didn't have horses right

2632
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:08,110
none of that stuff came into play but it

2633
01:49:15,660 --> 01:49:11,380
could have been some kind of mental or

2634
01:49:18,300 --> 01:49:15,670
sound or I don't know but somehow they

2635
01:49:20,330 --> 01:49:18,310
got it done do you think it was you know

2636
01:49:22,980 --> 01:49:20,340
mental power was some kind of

2637
01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:22,990
telekinesis how do you think you know

2638
01:49:27,930 --> 01:49:25,270
I grew up on science fiction and

2639
01:49:29,670 --> 01:49:27,940
fantastic tales and I love that I really

2640
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:29,680
hope that's what it is

2641
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:32,800
and you know I I have a friend lon do

2642
01:49:35,250 --> 01:49:33,850
Kent who

2643
01:49:37,530 --> 01:49:35,260
Lana I love Duke hits on our

2644
01:49:39,420 --> 01:49:37,540
coast-to-coast a lot and he's a huge

2645
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:39,430
prominent figure in at the esoteric

2646
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:41,920
community and there's a lot of people

2647
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:43,510
there that I don't know how much you

2648
01:49:46,410 --> 01:49:44,530
know about Crowley but there's a

2649
01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:46,420
organization that Crowley started that

2650
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:48,670
was all about the latent powers of the

2651
01:49:52,290 --> 01:49:50,320
brain and telekinesis and stuff and

2652
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:52,300
apparently in a real early like one of

2653
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:55,030
your first lessons in Rosicrucianism you

2654
01:49:58,110 --> 01:49:56,890
start doing these exercises where you

2655
01:49:59,370 --> 01:49:58,120
take a little piece of paper and put it

2656
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:59,380
on the head of a needle and then put the

2657
01:50:03,420 --> 01:50:01,840
needle in water and you just work on

2658
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:03,430
these calisthenics where you're trying

2659
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:04,570
to get the piece of paper to move around

2660
01:50:12,090 --> 01:50:08,010
with your mind and so I would never say

2661
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:12,100
that's not the case I think that there's

2662
01:50:18,060 --> 01:50:14,410
a cleverness that doesn't need

2663
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,070
technology I really love the idea of

2664
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,320
sound there's all kinds of people that

2665
01:50:23,460 --> 01:50:21,760
are canceling out gravity with three

2666
01:50:25,500 --> 01:50:23,470
octaves of sound and you know the whole

2667
01:50:29,190 --> 01:50:25,510
ed Leedskalnin and court absolutely

2668
01:50:31,140 --> 01:50:29,200
absolutely so I would love the idea that

2669
01:50:32,340 --> 01:50:31,150
I mean I've heard I forget who was

2670
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:32,350
reading the other day but somebody

2671
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:33,760
suggested the idea that the entire

2672
01:50:36,660 --> 01:50:35,650
pyramid was your final test and that's

2673
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:36,670
at Eric's school that you could

2674
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:38,590
physically lift the pyramid with your

2675
01:50:43,020 --> 01:50:41,410
mind and I just I love that I really

2676
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:43,030
want that to be true but if that turns

2677
01:50:47,220 --> 01:50:45,250
out to not be true it's also really

2678
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:47,230
interesting that they knew enough about

2679
01:50:51,450 --> 01:50:49,570
the basic laws of the universe way

2680
01:50:54,510 --> 01:50:51,460
before technology as we think about it

2681
01:50:55,770 --> 01:50:54,520
to use the properties of sound a really

2682
01:50:58,110 --> 01:50:55,780
interesting thing I heard recently was

2683
01:50:59,730 --> 01:50:58,120
if you take water and pour it on

2684
01:51:02,580 --> 01:50:59,740
sandstone because it's only really works

2685
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:02,590
with sandstone um the water will get

2686
01:51:07,410 --> 01:51:04,480
down into the porous sandstone is like a

2687
01:51:09,330 --> 01:51:07,420
sponge it's very porous and then you put

2688
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:09,340
the sound on it and it's actually the

2689
01:51:13,770 --> 01:51:11,410
vibrating water that lifts the stone up

2690
01:51:15,570 --> 01:51:13,780
and so there is a number of really

2691
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:15,580
interesting people you know um Hutchins

2692
01:51:18,780 --> 01:51:17,050
Hutchinson whatever the Hutchinson

2693
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:18,790
effect and imagine they're all kind of

2694
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:21,070
kooky iconoclastic people but there's a

2695
01:51:25,530 --> 01:51:22,570
lot of people lifting things with sound

2696
01:51:27,090 --> 01:51:25,540
and that seems to be the most promising

2697
01:51:28,770 --> 01:51:27,100
oh and the other thing that is really

2698
01:51:31,410 --> 01:51:28,780
out of surprisingly contentious even

2699
01:51:33,450 --> 01:51:31,420
though it's a very pedantic idea is the

2700
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:33,460
idea of liquid stone you know

2701
01:51:37,540 --> 01:51:36,110
geopolymers um the oldest some

2702
01:51:39,459 --> 01:51:37,550
in the world and the oldest and still

2703
01:51:41,140 --> 01:51:39,469
one of the best formulas for cement is

2704
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,150
the old Egyptian formula for cement

2705
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:44,239
still in use today so they knew about

2706
01:51:50,770 --> 01:51:49,070
mixing things in in this way so that it

2707
01:51:51,879 --> 01:51:50,780
would last forever and if you go and

2708
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:51,889
look at the pyramids and the way the

2709
01:51:56,919 --> 01:51:54,290
pyramids fit without any space in

2710
01:51:58,180 --> 01:51:56,929
between them and you look at some of the

2711
01:51:59,859 --> 01:51:58,190
statues and like we were talking about

2712
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,869
those obsidian sculptures that can't be

2713
01:52:03,879 --> 01:52:01,280
card they would have to be melted and

2714
01:52:06,700 --> 01:52:03,889
poured you see pictures of Egyptians

2715
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:06,710
even building and they have these square

2716
01:52:10,060 --> 01:52:08,570
pieces of wood with no top or bottom on

2717
01:52:12,459 --> 01:52:10,070
them and so if you put this square piece

2718
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:12,469
of wood down you poured a geopolymer

2719
01:52:15,790 --> 01:52:14,210
this thing that hardens into stone and

2720
01:52:17,820 --> 01:52:15,800
then you move the thing and you make the

2721
01:52:20,050 --> 01:52:17,830
next one and as you lift up the stones

2722
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:20,060
you lift up the piece of wood the stones

2723
01:52:26,290 --> 01:52:22,489
gonna kind of bleed together and you get

2724
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:26,300
that perfect alignment so um there's a

2725
01:52:29,410 --> 01:52:28,250
number of really interesting geologists

2726
01:52:32,770 --> 01:52:29,420
that have been doing some great studies

2727
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:32,780
about this one of the I really would

2728
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:34,400
like Erich von Daniken is a person one

2729
01:52:38,109 --> 01:52:36,080
of the factual mistakes he made in a lot

2730
01:52:40,570 --> 01:52:38,119
of his work was when he was saying the

2731
01:52:42,700 --> 01:52:40,580
stuff on the Altiplano and you know Timo

2732
01:52:44,649 --> 01:52:42,710
Tiahuanaco and stuff those weird doors

2733
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:44,659
that are carved into solid rock that

2734
01:52:49,209 --> 01:52:47,570
rocks a very soft rock and there's even

2735
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:49,219
the Moche Indians to this day know these

2736
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:51,290
combinations of plants that soften stone

2737
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:54,320
so you can put this formula on rock and

2738
01:52:59,290 --> 01:52:56,570
literally press things into it or carve

2739
01:53:00,430 --> 01:52:59,300
it and so anyway just it's all say

2740
01:53:04,209 --> 01:53:00,440
there's some really interesting

2741
01:53:06,189 --> 01:53:04,219
technology that if you're clever and if

2742
01:53:09,370 --> 01:53:06,199
you know something and you have this you

2743
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:09,380
know recourse to a few simple tools you

2744
01:53:15,310 --> 01:53:11,770
can do some amazing things with rock and

2745
01:53:17,260 --> 01:53:15,320
you know those like in the Mayan ruins

2746
01:53:17,890 --> 01:53:17,270
there's a little nipples that stick out

2747
01:53:19,959 --> 01:53:17,900
of the rocks

2748
01:53:21,700 --> 01:53:19,969
that's right looking at those if you

2749
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:21,710
think about there's a hose or some kind

2750
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:24,290
of delivery system that puts liquid rock

2751
01:53:27,250 --> 01:53:26,090
into a mold and then when you pull the

2752
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:27,260
hose off that place where the hose

2753
01:53:30,910 --> 01:53:29,330
connected exactly what you'd expect to

2754
01:53:32,979 --> 01:53:30,920
find is that long nipple as the stone

2755
01:53:36,580 --> 01:53:32,989
hardens and it kind of bulges out there

2756
01:53:40,750 --> 01:53:36,590
so I find that very compelling and that

2757
01:53:42,609 --> 01:53:40,760
you don't really have that question

2758
01:53:44,290 --> 01:53:42,619
about how do they move well that's not

2759
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:44,300
true that explains some things there are

2760
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:45,650
some things like the obelisks that are

2761
01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:47,330
single pieces of stone and how on earth

2762
01:53:52,510 --> 01:53:49,160
did they move that stuff

2763
01:53:55,690 --> 01:53:52,520
I I loved the whole alien intervention--

2764
01:53:56,860 --> 01:53:55,700
idea but I wouldn't say I absolutely

2765
01:53:59,470 --> 01:53:56,870
think that's what it is

2766
01:54:01,780 --> 01:53:59,480
it would sure explain a lot and some

2767
01:54:03,220 --> 01:54:01,790
kind of antigravity technology I would

2768
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:03,230
share love to be there on the day that

2769
01:54:07,390 --> 01:54:05,690
that were proven conclusively I just I

2770
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:07,400
can't say I don't really know and my

2771
01:54:12,130 --> 01:54:09,530
domain really is the effect that it has

2772
01:54:13,660 --> 01:54:12,140
once it's in place I'm just one of the

2773
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,670
punctures with an opinion about how they

2774
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:15,440
move the stones well have you ever seen

2775
01:54:22,750 --> 01:54:20,120
anything strange in the sky um well I

2776
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:22,760
grew up next area 51 I was raised in Las

2777
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:26,570
Vegas and um I've seen I saw something

2778
01:54:33,070 --> 01:54:30,320
in California in that what's it called

2779
01:54:35,860 --> 01:54:33,080
the canyon by the ocean man have been

2780
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:35,870
Topanga Topanga Topanga you have to

2781
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:37,130
paint this a real hot spot and I saw

2782
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:38,960
some crazy weird thing there one time

2783
01:54:42,610 --> 01:54:41,090
and my grandfather saw things all the

2784
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:42,620
time in the desert all the experimental

2785
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:44,810
craft and stuff well we went wait wait

2786
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:47,410
wait wait what did you see in Topanga oh

2787
01:54:57,970 --> 01:54:49,610
this crazy I don't want to sound like a

2788
01:54:59,530 --> 01:54:57,980
UFO nut I'm a nut but I was dwell I had

2789
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:59,540
a friend of mine who is this very

2790
01:55:01,660 --> 01:55:00,080
high-powered

2791
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:01,670
guy in television he came from

2792
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:02,930
rock-and-roll and he's really cool dad

2793
01:55:08,020 --> 01:55:05,840
and that weed out been out drinking and

2794
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:08,030
we're just wrecked and somehow we both

2795
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:09,440
made it home and when he got home he

2796
01:55:12,220 --> 01:55:10,880
called me up and he's like in this state

2797
01:55:13,390 --> 01:55:12,230
you know he's very cool guy he doesn't

2798
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:13,400
get into a state very often he's like

2799
01:55:16,180 --> 01:55:14,630
you got to get your car right now and

2800
01:55:17,650 --> 01:55:16,190
come over here and he was driving up to

2801
01:55:20,410 --> 01:55:17,660
Pangu Canyon and he saw this thing that

2802
01:55:21,670 --> 01:55:20,420
rattled him so I was in Santa Monica at

2803
01:55:25,690 --> 01:55:21,680
the time it's not that bad a drive so I

2804
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:25,700
get my car and I'm not advocating drunk

2805
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:26,810
driving to anyone who might be listening

2806
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:29,090
but Tim when UFOs are involved I don't

2807
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:31,280
know anyway right right so I go out

2808
01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:32,480
there and he shows me or just do we

2809
01:55:34,780 --> 01:55:33,470
stand there and there's this thing that

2810
01:55:38,110 --> 01:55:34,790
looks like about the size of a

2811
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:38,120
basketball it's in this tangle I don't

2812
01:55:41,530 --> 01:55:39,410
know if you know Canyon but there's just

2813
01:55:42,610 --> 01:55:41,540
angle that you're just you're not gonna

2814
01:55:43,810 --> 01:55:42,620
go out there you're not gonna take a

2815
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:43,820
film crew out there and you're not

2816
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:45,050
there's just no way to get out there to

2817
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:46,490
the spot but there's a thing that was

2818
01:55:49,630 --> 01:55:48,290
just likes it was levitating was

2819
01:55:50,710 --> 01:55:49,640
hovering and it wasn't that far away

2820
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:50,720
from us and you could tell it was about

2821
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:52,130
a basketball but it was emitting a lion

2822
01:55:56,650 --> 01:55:54,530
that was so much like I work with lights

2823
01:55:58,630 --> 01:55:56,660
all the time and when you're filming and

2824
01:56:00,640 --> 01:55:58,640
stuff you know I have a pretty good idea

2825
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:00,650
of what technology is out there for

2826
01:56:03,850 --> 01:56:02,570
lighting and this is just this small

2827
01:56:06,490 --> 01:56:03,860
thing that was basketball-sized but it

2828
01:56:07,930 --> 01:56:06,500
was so bright and it just it hovered

2829
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:07,940
there it wasn't suspended by anything it

2830
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:09,350
wasn't held by anything and we just sat

2831
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:10,970
and looked and it never did go anywhere

2832
01:56:13,780 --> 01:56:11,930
and just after a while you're like

2833
01:56:16,300 --> 01:56:13,790
alright well that happened I don't know

2834
01:56:19,300 --> 01:56:16,310
what to make a better what it was and

2835
01:56:20,590 --> 01:56:19,310
then all the time my grandfather used to

2836
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:20,600
tell me stories about the stuff that he

2837
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:22,490
because they might I think I'd go back

2838
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:26,090
three generations in Las Vegas and you

2839
01:56:29,050 --> 01:56:27,710
know that's my mom used to tell me

2840
01:56:30,490 --> 01:56:29,060
stories this is kind of a tangent I'll

2841
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:30,500
tell you this really quickly when my mom

2842
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:31,850
was a kid they did announce on the radio

2843
01:56:35,020 --> 01:56:33,530
hey folks we're doing a nuclear test

2844
01:56:37,780 --> 01:56:35,030
make sure I get up on your ribs and

2845
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:37,790
watch it right so climb up on a roof and

2846
01:56:40,780 --> 01:56:39,440
they count it down there's this little

2847
01:56:42,670 --> 01:56:40,790
mushroom cloud that goes off in the

2848
01:56:44,620 --> 01:56:42,680
distance and she'd tell me about like he

2849
01:56:46,810 --> 01:56:44,630
came out seven seconds and this Pleasant

2850
01:56:48,370 --> 01:56:46,820
warm breeze would blow by and now of

2851
01:56:54,450 --> 01:56:48,380
course everyone there's got skin cancer

2852
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:54,460
in a crazy place for that yes I've seen

2853
01:56:59,650 --> 01:56:57,170
some old black-and-white films you know

2854
01:57:02,440 --> 01:56:59,660
from back in the day where they would

2855
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:02,450
announce okay you know go outside you

2856
01:57:06,430 --> 01:57:04,880
know in Vegas and you know it's such and

2857
01:57:08,290 --> 01:57:06,440
such a time the sky's gonna light up

2858
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:08,300
there doing a nuclear test people are

2859
01:57:12,730 --> 01:57:10,490
out there on the street looking at you

2860
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:12,740
know the night sky light up and it's

2861
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:15,980
just a crate was what we know today to

2862
01:57:20,590 --> 01:57:17,570
think that that actually used to go on

2863
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:20,600
is just absolutely mind-blowing all

2864
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:21,770
right all right we've got to take a

2865
01:57:25,810 --> 01:57:23,690
break right here chance so let's do that

2866
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:25,820
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2867
01:57:31,330 --> 01:57:28,610
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2868
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:31,340
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really love ponies I'm serious I

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02:01:42,830 --> 02:01:38,670
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all right welcome back fade to black

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what a great conversation tonight with

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02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:00,870
chance gardener

2954
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:03,730
director of magical Egypt one and two

2955
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:09,040
and excuse me just cleared my throat

2956
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:11,410
magical Egypt one was a game changer for

2957
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:13,450
me and everybody on this show knows that

2958
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:16,090
and magically chip two is certainly

2959
02:02:20,970 --> 02:02:18,850
shaping up to do the exact same thing it

2960
02:02:23,460 --> 02:02:20,980
takes things to a whole nother level and

2961
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:23,470
what I wanted to ask you chance you sit

2962
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:26,850
down with a Graham Hancock too as well

2963
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:30,130
what did you come away with from those

2964
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:33,370
conversations well Graham is just as

2965
02:02:38,670 --> 02:02:37,210
titanically nice person um I'd live in

2966
02:02:41,010 --> 02:02:38,680
Australia down there's a lot of English

2967
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:41,020
people and English people just love to

2968
02:02:46,890 --> 02:02:43,570
pick apart Americans and who don't

2969
02:02:48,180 --> 02:02:46,900
realize how vastly hated we are and so I

2970
02:02:49,500 --> 02:02:48,190
had this kind of experience with a lot

2971
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:49,510
of English people and I sit down with

2972
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:51,610
Graham and he's just a spent lovely man

2973
02:02:55,860 --> 02:02:54,490
but also because his whole education is

2974
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:55,870
in journalism you know he's a proper

2975
02:03:00,420 --> 02:02:58,090
journalist and when he expresses ideas

2976
02:03:02,460 --> 02:03:00,430
that these perfect little Swiss watches

2977
02:03:04,380 --> 02:03:02,470
that are self-contained and they're

2978
02:03:06,060 --> 02:03:04,390
awesome and perfectly structured and

2979
02:03:08,130 --> 02:03:06,070
they have a clear in and a clear out so

2980
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:08,140
not only is he informational II great

2981
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:10,690
but as an editor and you know a person

2982
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:11,920
who puts shows together he's just a

2983
02:03:17,250 --> 02:03:15,970
dream to work with and just you know

2984
02:03:19,530 --> 02:03:17,260
became one of my favorite people he's

2985
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:19,540
just he's an awesome guy and he really

2986
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:21,280
is kind of covering a different

2987
02:03:24,210 --> 02:03:23,650
frequency than John their work overlaps

2988
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:24,220
a lot

2989
02:03:27,690 --> 02:03:26,530
they all went together with Robert

2990
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:27,700
Schoch was very important part of all

2991
02:03:33,150 --> 02:03:31,090
this too to Yonaguni they kind of

2992
02:03:35,250 --> 02:03:33,160
collaborated on the Yonaguni findings

2993
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:35,260
and so john has a lot of interaction

2994
02:03:38,700 --> 02:03:36,690
with graham and that's kind of my

2995
02:03:40,890 --> 02:03:38,710
interaction with graham is through john

2996
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:40,900
most of the time but um when I'm around

2997
02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:42,490
him when I get a chance to sit down and

2998
02:03:46,860 --> 02:03:44,590
chat with him I just absolutely love the

2999
02:03:49,140 --> 02:03:46,870
guy plus he's from outside of the system

3000
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:49,150
too so he can address things like how

3001
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:51,010
important psychedelics are in the new

3002
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:54,010
paradigm and he's taken it on the chin

3003
02:03:59,580 --> 02:03:55,930
for that and you got to admire it all

3004
02:04:00,960 --> 02:03:59,590
the more that I'm sure that um you know

3005
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:00,970
opportunities have passed him you know

3006
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:02,530
he got banned from TED Talks first oh

3007
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:04,930
yeah frankly about that and so I just

3008
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:07,050
you gotta love anybody who is

3009
02:04:12,030 --> 02:04:10,000
dedicated to shining a light on

3010
02:04:13,230 --> 02:04:12,040
important things that you'll personally

3011
02:04:15,540 --> 02:04:13,240
take it on the chin to be able to

3012
02:04:17,460 --> 02:04:15,550
express ideas that you know that

3013
02:04:20,130 --> 02:04:17,470
powers-that-be don't like expressed in

3014
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:20,140
public have you spoken to John Anthony

3015
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:24,130
West lately John got really sick a while

3016
02:04:30,090 --> 02:04:27,490
ago yes and there was just such a wall

3017
02:04:31,890 --> 02:04:30,100
of people wishing him well and stuff so

3018
02:04:34,350 --> 02:04:31,900
we took an active hand in all the

3019
02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:34,360
telethons and stuff but I haven't spoken

3020
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:36,250
to him in a while I need to reconnect

3021
02:04:39,540 --> 02:04:37,450
with him because we've got a lot of work

3022
02:04:40,710 --> 02:04:39,550
to do for future episodes but I don't

3023
02:04:43,650 --> 02:04:40,720
know if people know he just went through

3024
02:04:45,210 --> 02:04:43,660
this incredible health challenge yeah

3025
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:45,220
we've all interesting thing by itself

3026
02:04:47,850 --> 02:04:46,690
because it's you know it's cancer how

3027
02:04:51,090 --> 02:04:47,860
many people walk away from cancer

3028
02:04:54,060 --> 02:04:51,100
alright but John you know he came out

3029
02:04:57,270 --> 02:04:54,070
the other side yeah I did the same thing

3030
02:05:03,630 --> 02:04:57,280
I just kind of laid off but I did I kind

3031
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:03,640
of guilt I called him this is about a

3032
02:05:08,340 --> 02:05:05,410
month ago so I called him and I didn't

3033
02:05:10,290 --> 02:05:08,350
want to do it and yeah I didn't want to

3034
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:10,300
bother him and I thought man he's

3035
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:12,400
probably resting so you know I was like

3036
02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:14,110
screw it that's what I call him I get

3037
02:05:19,380 --> 02:05:16,510
his answering machine and I leave this

3038
02:05:24,030 --> 02:05:19,390
ridiculous just a stupid message you

3039
02:05:27,150 --> 02:05:24,040
know whatever you know he is he's you

3040
02:05:29,190 --> 02:05:27,160
know he's recovering and and and I just

3041
02:05:32,190 --> 02:05:29,200
felt so guilty after that and felt so

3042
02:05:35,700 --> 02:05:32,200
foolish but we just wish him the best

3043
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:35,710
and I hope he's listening right now what

3044
02:05:42,570 --> 02:05:38,170
does he think any feedback from him on

3045
02:05:45,060 --> 02:05:42,580
on the second series I know he's watched

3046
02:05:46,440 --> 02:05:45,070
them I haven't heard any feedback from

3047
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:46,450
him which always makes me a little bit

3048
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:48,490
nervous and there's some things that I'm

3049
02:05:54,090 --> 02:05:50,850
quite interested in that he's just

3050
02:05:55,950 --> 02:05:54,100
vehemently polarized against so I've had

3051
02:05:57,090 --> 02:05:55,960
to be really mindful in this show was

3052
02:05:58,200 --> 02:05:57,100
part of the reason I put myself in the

3053
02:06:00,000 --> 02:05:58,210
show this time is I want to make it

3054
02:06:01,590 --> 02:06:00,010
clear that there's ideas that I'm

3055
02:06:05,340 --> 02:06:01,600
originating that he doesn't necessarily

3056
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:05,350
endorse but he you know he's such a

3057
02:06:09,270 --> 02:06:07,210
grandfather of all of this stuff and in

3058
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:09,280
a weird way he's like my dad where I'm

3059
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:10,480
just you know somewhere in the back of

3060
02:06:13,890 --> 02:06:11,650
my mind I'm just doing this whole thing

3061
02:06:16,830 --> 02:06:13,900
to please him make him happy and and you

3062
02:06:18,690 --> 02:06:16,840
know to drop China light on his body of

3063
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:18,700
work because he was I don't know if

3064
02:06:21,550 --> 02:06:19,970
we've talked about this already but

3065
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:21,560
I really what I think was so important

3066
02:06:25,330 --> 02:06:23,210
about the original magical Egypt was it

3067
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:25,340
wasn't a documentary about Egypt per se

3068
02:06:29,130 --> 02:06:27,050
was about it was a documentary about the

3069
02:06:32,290 --> 02:06:29,140
emergence of this new counterculture and

3070
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:32,300
very much like the sixties you get all

3071
02:06:35,500 --> 02:06:34,250
of these same things that the last

3072
02:06:37,210 --> 02:06:35,510
counterculture had you have this

3073
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:37,220
orthodoxy and then you have these people

3074
02:06:41,530 --> 02:06:39,170
pushing against the orthodoxy and then

3075
02:06:43,900 --> 02:06:41,540
the orthodoxy pushes back and there's

3076
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:43,910
this very necessary shift in human

3077
02:06:48,130 --> 02:06:46,970
thinking that had to be that you know

3078
02:06:49,930 --> 02:06:48,140
the psychopomp thing again it's an

3079
02:06:51,370 --> 02:06:49,940
uncomfortable shift in thinking but it

3080
02:06:53,620 --> 02:06:51,380
has to be done so we can all move

3081
02:06:55,780 --> 02:06:53,630
forward collectively and talk about a

3082
02:06:58,000 --> 02:06:55,790
vanguard and a guy who's not afraid of

3083
02:06:59,380 --> 02:06:58,010
getting in a fight and I think one of

3084
02:07:01,630 --> 02:06:59,390
the reasons people like him so much as

3085
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:01,640
he does not pull punches and he loves to

3086
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:04,970
he's a scrapper you know and so so much

3087
02:07:09,670 --> 02:07:07,370
of my thinking was templated from him

3088
02:07:11,290 --> 02:07:09,680
and so my relationship with him was very

3089
02:07:14,350 --> 02:07:11,300
much like my relationship with my dad

3090
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:14,360
that he you know I I just absolutely

3091
02:07:17,620 --> 02:07:15,890
adore the guy and there's a lot of

3092
02:07:21,250 --> 02:07:17,630
things I do that disappoint him but what

3093
02:07:24,340 --> 02:07:21,260
are you gonna do we went last year we

3094
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:24,350
read and I we we had to film we had to

3095
02:07:29,110 --> 02:07:26,090
shoot for History Channel in Manhattan

3096
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:29,120
and of course you go to the mat and and

3097
02:07:34,540 --> 02:07:31,850
we you know did the Egypt thing and we

3098
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:34,550
spent all day there and the next day

3099
02:07:39,370 --> 02:07:36,650
though this is what Reed and I were

3100
02:07:41,650 --> 02:07:39,380
walking through Central Park and I

3101
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:41,660
called jawless you know I call him and I

3102
02:07:47,230 --> 02:07:44,960
go to the man just went through the the

3103
02:07:49,660 --> 02:07:47,240
mad theater and tell me about it Jimmy

3104
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:49,670
so I'm sitting I'm walking through

3105
02:07:54,700 --> 02:07:51,920
Central Park talking to John Anthony

3106
02:07:58,660 --> 02:07:54,710
West on the phone tell him about the

3107
02:08:04,060 --> 02:07:58,670
highlights of the the Egyptian wing and

3108
02:08:05,710 --> 02:08:04,070
he's giving me the commentary oh wow how

3109
02:08:08,530 --> 02:08:05,720
good does it get any better than that

3110
02:08:10,030 --> 02:08:08,540
right that's awesome yeah him correcting

3111
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:10,040
me and a couple of things just like man

3112
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:11,810
this is just awesome

3113
02:08:16,510 --> 02:08:15,920
but John Anthony was we love you John

3114
02:08:22,570 --> 02:08:16,520
get better

3115
02:08:24,970 --> 02:08:22,580
Laird Scranton yeah tell me I his his

3116
02:08:26,980 --> 02:08:24,980
take on things

3117
02:08:27,970 --> 02:08:26,990
again this counterculture that you're

3118
02:08:30,730 --> 02:08:27,980
referring to

3119
02:08:31,420 --> 02:08:30,740
you know the Bob all Scranton Andrew

3120
02:08:33,220 --> 02:08:31,430
Collins

3121
02:08:37,540 --> 02:08:33,230
John Anthony West there

3122
02:08:40,630 --> 02:08:37,550
Laird Scranton and he he I think has

3123
02:08:42,580 --> 02:08:40,640
also been hugely influential back on to

3124
02:08:45,670 --> 02:08:42,590
John Anthony West the two of them really

3125
02:08:47,770 --> 02:08:45,680
go together well yeah there's some major

3126
02:08:49,900 --> 02:08:47,780
points of contention between them but

3127
02:08:51,220 --> 02:08:49,910
they're you know they're like two

3128
02:08:55,900 --> 02:08:51,230
superheroes that have punched through

3129
02:08:57,640 --> 02:08:55,910
this giant wall I love Li there it's one

3130
02:08:59,800 --> 02:08:57,650
of the kindest nicest people in the

3131
02:09:01,930 --> 02:08:59,810
world and what I particularly like about

3132
02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:01,940
Laird is like all of us and I feel like

3133
02:09:05,110 --> 02:09:03,170
we're really making a difference he's an

3134
02:09:07,060 --> 02:09:05,120
outsider you know he has nothing to do

3135
02:09:07,570 --> 02:09:07,070
with Egyptology but he spent his whole

3136
02:09:10,240 --> 02:09:07,580
life

3137
02:09:12,010 --> 02:09:10,250
comparing old and new his job was to

3138
02:09:14,050 --> 02:09:12,020
show up and fix computers and he had to

3139
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:14,060
look at the computer code the original

3140
02:09:16,750 --> 02:09:15,290
code and then the code that was on the

3141
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:16,760
computer and he'd cross compare them and

3142
02:09:20,620 --> 02:09:18,410
figure out where the codes been modified

3143
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:20,630
and he has this it's like I don't wanna

3144
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:22,250
call it autism with the savantism where

3145
02:09:27,310 --> 02:09:25,370
he's like a systems analyst and he's got

3146
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:27,320
this material in a sense of detail and

3147
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:29,570
he's patient you know and I'll just sit

3148
02:09:32,979 --> 02:09:30,890
and sit and sit until the problem

3149
02:09:36,940 --> 02:09:32,989
presents itself or the solution presents

3150
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:36,950
itself so he started he was really one

3151
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:39,050
of the first people to make it clear for

3152
02:09:43,390 --> 02:09:40,850
me that there was a very sophisticated

3153
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:43,400
science a you know layered enough to

3154
02:09:47,650 --> 02:09:45,290
know that there demonstrated that in the

3155
02:09:50,410 --> 02:09:47,660
dogon and Egyptian hieroglyphs there

3156
02:09:53,140 --> 02:09:50,420
were all of these scientific notation

3157
02:09:54,370 --> 02:09:53,150
and that there's a signifier that says

3158
02:09:57,130 --> 02:09:54,380
this thing you're about to read is a

3159
02:09:59,340 --> 02:09:57,140
scientific term and so there was this

3160
02:10:01,840 --> 02:09:59,350
brilliant way that they would encode

3161
02:10:02,260 --> 02:10:01,850
science into a word like the word for

3162
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:02,270
month'

3163
02:10:07,390 --> 02:10:05,450
the three hieroglyphs are basically the

3164
02:10:08,530 --> 02:10:07,400
say the time it takes for the moon to go

3165
02:10:10,210 --> 02:10:08,540
around the earth or their word for a

3166
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:10,220
year if you take the original the

3167
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:13,280
individual hieroglyphs the word year is

3168
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:14,930
actually is also a sentence that says

3169
02:10:18,430 --> 02:10:16,610
the time it takes for the earth to go

3170
02:10:21,190 --> 02:10:18,440
around the Sun one time and that was the

3171
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:21,200
first time it occurred to me that Egypt

3172
02:10:25,870 --> 02:10:24,410
you know we've we've inherited what we

3173
02:10:28,270 --> 02:10:25,880
know about Egypt from these people that

3174
02:10:29,740 --> 02:10:28,280
really were scientists this is whole

3175
02:10:31,030 --> 02:10:29,750
conversation I love to engage in the

3176
02:10:33,190 --> 02:10:31,040
difference between the sciences and the

3177
02:10:34,690 --> 02:10:33,200
humanities and Bauval just recently

3178
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:34,700
pointed out if you really think about

3179
02:10:38,290 --> 02:10:35,690
what's the difference between the

3180
02:10:39,970 --> 02:10:38,300
sciences and the humanities it kind of

3181
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:39,980
gives you an insight and to the

3182
02:10:43,150 --> 02:10:41,810
territorialism that happens in

3183
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:43,160
Egyptology because Egyptology is a

3184
02:10:46,110 --> 02:10:44,930
humanity it's not a science so when

3185
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:46,120
people like Laird come along

3186
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:47,410
like myself from a different perspective

3187
02:10:51,090 --> 02:10:49,510
or people like Brad or Gary Osbourne or

3188
02:10:52,380 --> 02:10:51,100
Robert Bauval you know Robert Vols an

3189
02:10:53,850 --> 02:10:52,390
engineer and he's all about science

3190
02:10:58,370 --> 02:10:53,860
provable Ness you know double-blind

3191
02:11:00,270 --> 02:10:58,380
tests and provable in this and Laird

3192
02:11:01,170 --> 02:11:00,280
demonstrated in this way that you can't

3193
02:11:04,020 --> 02:11:01,180
argue with that

3194
02:11:05,970 --> 02:11:04,030
they had a really tight understanding of

3195
02:11:07,860 --> 02:11:05,980
physics down to you know that we've only

3196
02:11:09,150 --> 02:11:07,870
just recently caught up with I don't I'm

3197
02:11:10,710 --> 02:11:09,160
not enough of a scientist to really

3198
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:10,720
understand much about string theory but

3199
02:11:14,850 --> 02:11:13,450
Laird shows this the Dogon and then the

3200
02:11:17,460 --> 02:11:14,860
Egyptian that's a lot more veiled but

3201
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:17,470
the Dogon are quite explicit about this

3202
02:11:21,180 --> 02:11:19,330
fan came down from this planet of fish

3203
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:21,190
it was a reptile it didn't like being

3204
02:11:23,820 --> 02:11:22,570
around us it was dangerous for us to be

3205
02:11:25,980 --> 02:11:23,830
around it but it told us these things

3206
02:11:28,890 --> 02:11:25,990
about the universe including here's what

3207
02:11:30,870 --> 02:11:28,900
the tiniest particle is which it turns

3208
02:11:32,250 --> 02:11:30,880
out was a fantastic schematic of an atom

3209
02:11:34,230 --> 02:11:32,260
and then here's what Adams made of and

3210
02:11:35,610 --> 02:11:34,240
then here's what an electrons made of

3211
02:11:39,330 --> 02:11:35,620
and here's what a quark is made of and

3212
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:39,340
until really recently with string theory

3213
02:11:42,450 --> 02:11:41,410
we didn't really even understand what

3214
02:11:44,130 --> 02:11:42,460
was smaller than atoms or what was

3215
02:11:45,930 --> 02:11:44,140
mauler than electrons and so Laird comes

3216
02:11:49,590 --> 02:11:45,940
along and demonstrates that this was

3217
02:11:50,190 --> 02:11:49,600
encoded into the culture and it was

3218
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:50,200
amazing

3219
02:11:54,630 --> 02:11:52,690
beyond that John and I one of the

3220
02:11:57,320 --> 02:11:54,640
funnest times I ever had with John West

3221
02:12:01,530 --> 02:11:57,330
was he and I went to Vassar College were

3222
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:01,540
Laird went and Risa his wife Risa and we

3223
02:12:05,460 --> 02:12:03,130
just had this fantastically great time

3224
02:12:07,110 --> 02:12:05,470
filming Laird on the college and just

3225
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:07,120
goofing around and stuff but it just

3226
02:12:10,050 --> 02:12:08,530
kind of came up in conversation that if

3227
02:12:11,970 --> 02:12:10,060
there is anything to pass lives

3228
02:12:14,430 --> 02:12:11,980
I think Blair was Sean bullion in a past

3229
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:14,440
life because he has this aptitude and

3230
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:20,170
this natural savantism for yes-yes-yes

3231
02:12:27,390 --> 02:12:25,030
when he broke down the the parts of the

3232
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:27,400
inside of an atom which we didn't know

3233
02:12:32,940 --> 02:12:30,490
until electron microscopes and the mid

3234
02:12:35,250 --> 02:12:32,950
70 imeem everything was the smallest

3235
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:35,260
thing there was was an atom and now

3236
02:12:40,770 --> 02:12:37,450
we've gone inside inside inside inside

3237
02:12:42,450 --> 02:12:40,780
but clearly I think Laird has

3238
02:12:45,660 --> 02:12:42,460
demonstrated that they had an

3239
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:45,670
understanding of what was on the inside

3240
02:12:52,530 --> 02:12:49,360
of an atom and it's a mind-blowing thing

3241
02:12:56,610 --> 02:12:52,540
to to to go through but he presents it

3242
02:12:58,029 --> 02:12:56,620
in a very clear way yeah Camille it's

3243
02:12:59,919 --> 02:12:58,039
something that I have yet to learn

3244
02:13:02,169 --> 02:12:59,929
how these are some of the smartest most

3245
02:13:04,329 --> 02:13:02,179
complicated ideas ever and trying to

3246
02:13:06,099 --> 02:13:04,339
transmit ideas that are that smart does

3247
02:13:07,629 --> 02:13:06,109
not lend itself to sound bytes and

3248
02:13:09,729 --> 02:13:07,639
buzzwords and you know the common

3249
02:13:11,619 --> 02:13:09,739
currency of mass media and communicating

3250
02:13:13,929 --> 02:13:11,629
with the public it's really an unusual

3251
02:13:16,299 --> 02:13:13,939
individual that can take something like

3252
02:13:17,379 --> 02:13:16,309
string theory and tell it to you in a

3253
02:13:21,489 --> 02:13:17,389
way that you actually understand it

3254
02:13:25,409 --> 02:13:21,499
Robert Bauval and your conversation with

3255
02:13:28,750 --> 02:13:25,419
him is is really really cool he kills me

3256
02:13:32,739 --> 02:13:28,760
the now this is this is where I've

3257
02:13:37,889 --> 02:13:32,749
always kind of tripped here is that you

3258
02:13:41,139 --> 02:13:37,899
know Bauval John Anthony West shocked

3259
02:13:44,619 --> 02:13:41,149
Graham Hancock you can throw Collins

3260
02:13:47,049 --> 02:13:44,629
into there too you have to all really

3261
02:13:50,169 --> 02:13:47,059
tipped everything over just about at the

3262
02:13:52,089 --> 02:13:50,179
same time and you know they're like the

3263
02:13:55,500 --> 02:13:52,099
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse right

3264
02:14:00,159 --> 02:13:55,510
you know for especially for Egyptologist

3265
02:14:04,359 --> 02:14:00,169
but today here we are in 2017 and their

3266
02:14:06,309 --> 02:14:04,369
revelations from 90 91 92 93 94 which

3267
02:14:11,049 --> 02:14:06,319
all happened just about at the same time

3268
02:14:13,449 --> 02:14:11,059
too as well are starting to stand up for

3269
02:14:13,899 --> 02:14:13,459
themselves in a very solid way don't you

3270
02:14:16,509 --> 02:14:13,909
think

3271
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:16,519
yeah I was really this is an episode

3272
02:14:19,809 --> 02:14:18,079
we're gonna do as soon as John's healthy

3273
02:14:22,539 --> 02:14:19,819
enough to move around a little bit is

3274
02:14:24,099 --> 02:14:22,549
the I told you so to her we're all of

3275
02:14:27,429 --> 02:14:24,109
these things that these people have been

3276
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:27,439
you know sustaining blows their whole

3277
02:14:33,279 --> 02:14:30,079
lives they've been beaten with authority

3278
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:33,289
sticks and finally society and

3279
02:14:36,609 --> 02:14:34,729
technologies advanced to the point where

3280
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:36,619
there's very few people now that are

3281
02:14:42,099 --> 02:14:39,530
disputing this anymore and with John in

3282
02:14:44,679 --> 02:14:42,109
particular this happened a few years ago

3283
02:14:46,539 --> 02:14:44,689
but there's encyclopedias coming out now

3284
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:46,549
I think there was a huge compendium

3285
02:14:51,339 --> 02:14:49,129
cyclopædia that came out in Russian that

3286
02:14:53,709 --> 02:14:51,349
lists John and his Sphinx theory is a

3287
02:14:55,659 --> 02:14:53,719
viable alternative these are actual you

3288
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:55,669
know establishment history books and

3289
02:14:59,619 --> 02:14:58,159
science books that begrudgingly because

3290
02:15:02,559 --> 02:14:59,629
of the relentlessness and the

3291
02:15:05,379 --> 02:15:02,569
hardheadedness and of these people those

3292
02:15:07,870 --> 02:15:05,389
people you just mentioned our whole

3293
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:07,880
paradigm has changed and

3294
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:10,010
that you know in a way is like Bob Dylan

3295
02:15:13,300 --> 02:15:12,110
or John Lennon that all you do is you

3296
02:15:14,890 --> 02:15:13,310
keep seeing your little songs and you

3297
02:15:17,470 --> 02:15:14,900
stay true to yourself in the whole world

3298
02:15:21,490 --> 02:15:17,480
bends to meet the force of your ideas

3299
02:15:22,899 --> 02:15:21,500
now have you had certainly going back to

3300
02:15:25,120 --> 02:15:22,909
magical Egypt one

3301
02:15:28,020 --> 02:15:25,130
what's the pushback that you've gotten

3302
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:28,030
from those traditional Orthodox

3303
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:32,239
Egyptologist and and in the system I've

3304
02:15:36,939 --> 02:15:33,679
only been in the room with mark Lehner

3305
02:15:38,620 --> 02:15:36,949
once I met sahi a bunch of times I used

3306
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:38,630
to have to pretend to be things like air

3307
02:15:42,939 --> 02:15:40,250
conditioning repairman and just make up

3308
02:15:44,860 --> 02:15:42,949
stuff so like so I could get into places

3309
02:15:47,379 --> 02:15:44,870
where you weren't supposed to go but I

3310
02:15:49,450 --> 02:15:47,389
don't have anything to do with it you

3311
02:15:52,030 --> 02:15:49,460
know there are people out there that are

3312
02:15:53,770 --> 02:15:52,040
just angry and they're defending an idea

3313
02:15:55,570 --> 02:15:53,780
not because the idea is true but because

3314
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:55,580
there's terror I'm not saying either of

3315
02:15:58,660 --> 02:15:56,719
those two names I just mentioned but

3316
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,670
just in general if you're familiar with

3317
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:00,560
the dynamic events in Egypt there's a

3318
02:16:08,140 --> 02:16:03,770
lot of really fussy angry pissy people

3319
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:08,150
that are committed to protecting their

3320
02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:09,770
reputation as being all-knowing and it's

3321
02:16:14,890 --> 02:16:12,290
not really about the truth it's about

3322
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:14,900
I'm getting a bunch of money because I'm

3323
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:16,010
an expert and people are paying

3324
02:16:19,149 --> 02:16:17,810
attention to me and all of a sudden

3325
02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:19,159
these guys from outside of Egyptology

3326
02:16:23,470 --> 02:16:20,530
come along with these theories that

3327
02:16:25,390 --> 02:16:23,480
completely undo my entire model of

3328
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:25,400
things and so I can kind of see just

3329
02:16:29,709 --> 02:16:28,400
from a human standpoint it's a huge

3330
02:16:31,479 --> 02:16:29,719
thing the human psyche that if you've

3331
02:16:34,020 --> 02:16:31,489
built a whole life on being a reputation

3332
02:16:36,520 --> 02:16:34,030
all reputation on being an authority

3333
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:36,530
somebody comes along and pulls a string

3334
02:16:39,459 --> 02:16:38,090
out of your castle and it falls down and

3335
02:16:40,990 --> 02:16:39,469
you're you know you're gonna go to great

3336
02:16:43,299 --> 02:16:41,000
lengths to keep somebody from doing that

3337
02:16:45,850 --> 02:16:43,309
to you so there's this dynamic there

3338
02:16:48,610 --> 02:16:45,860
that is oh it's just part of the

3339
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:48,620
landscape and I don't pay attention to

3340
02:16:51,730 --> 02:16:50,090
it I just I couldn't care less of course

3341
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:51,740
they think that I know a lot of people

3342
02:16:55,419 --> 02:16:53,210
with views different than mine and I

3343
02:16:57,310 --> 02:16:55,429
just don't you know I they freed I'm not

3344
02:16:59,530 --> 02:16:57,320
inviting them over to any parties I have

3345
02:17:01,600 --> 02:16:59,540
at my house I just I know that they

3346
02:17:04,209 --> 02:17:01,610
believe that I don't care why do you

3347
02:17:06,730 --> 02:17:04,219
think and it's okay let it hang out

3348
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:06,740
chance let it hang out why do you think

3349
02:17:14,500 --> 02:17:12,080
Lerner is happy with toeing the line he

3350
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:14,510
has spent more time on the Giza Plateau

3351
02:17:17,730 --> 02:17:16,969
than probably anybody that's walking the

3352
02:17:19,770 --> 02:17:17,740
planet right

3353
02:17:23,940 --> 02:17:19,780
now right and there's no question about

3354
02:17:26,130 --> 02:17:23,950
that but his mind is shut why do you

3355
02:17:28,140 --> 02:17:26,140
think that is here's what I learned

3356
02:17:29,970 --> 02:17:28,150
don't bash anybody in a public forum I

3357
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:29,980
just have no idea what's going on with

3358
02:17:39,510 --> 02:17:32,080
the guy he's an authority there's a

3359
02:17:40,290 --> 02:17:39,520
story that I just know let me jump in

3360
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:40,300
really quick

3361
02:17:45,780 --> 02:17:42,610
I don't bash anybody and I'm not asking

3362
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:45,790
you to bash anybody what I am but my

3363
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:50,050
thing is the his when you're out there

3364
02:17:56,640 --> 02:17:53,880
on the Giza Plateau oh you should be

3365
02:17:58,590 --> 02:17:56,650
wondering about this and he doesn't

3366
02:18:01,260 --> 02:17:58,600
wonder about a thing and I just don't

3367
02:18:02,910 --> 02:18:01,270
get it I'll tell you something in this I

3368
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:02,920
have to flag this as being just the

3369
02:18:09,090 --> 02:18:07,210
worst case and worst sort of speculation

3370
02:18:10,830 --> 02:18:09,100
there's this really interesting thing

3371
02:18:12,450 --> 02:18:10,840
and it's a meme and I can't say that

3372
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:12,460
I've ever seen any signed official

3373
02:18:17,130 --> 02:18:14,170
documents but it's not a big secret that

3374
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:17,140
the Agra Casey foundation paid for is ah

3375
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:18,880
he's education which is a very strange

3376
02:18:25,260 --> 02:18:22,840
thing and Lehner was some somehow

3377
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:25,270
wrapped up in this really early on and I

3378
02:18:28,830 --> 02:18:27,040
will only say this because you're

3379
02:18:31,110 --> 02:18:28,840
cajoling me to and I have to keep saying

3380
02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:31,120
I'm no expert and you know I'm prone to

3381
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:32,530
flights of insanity and so maybe I'm

3382
02:18:37,550 --> 02:18:34,330
just crazy about the whole thing but it

3383
02:18:40,170 --> 02:18:37,560
really seems to me like they were there

3384
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:40,180
specifically to keep people from

3385
02:18:44,820 --> 02:18:42,850
arriving at this I'm not hugely active

3386
02:18:47,550 --> 02:18:44,830
and some of the you know organized

3387
02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:47,560
esoteric cultures and there's people who

3388
02:18:50,610 --> 02:18:48,430
tell me all the time if you're a

3389
02:18:52,470 --> 02:18:50,620
Rosicrucian you go to Egypt and you get

3390
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:52,480
a tour of things that the public is not

3391
02:18:56,490 --> 02:18:54,970
allowed to see and it's these people who

3392
02:18:58,590 --> 02:18:56,500
tell you it's not they're the people

3393
02:19:02,670 --> 02:18:58,600
that lead the tours I can't even that's

3394
02:19:04,920 --> 02:19:02,680
no sanity Tom DeLonge um I just don't

3395
02:19:07,680 --> 02:19:04,930
have enough authority to say anything

3396
02:19:09,510 --> 02:19:07,690
except crazy things that I suspect but

3397
02:19:10,590 --> 02:19:09,520
there's well what you just said I think

3398
02:19:13,260 --> 02:19:10,600
is the most important thing there's no

3399
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,270
way if your eyes were that you can hold

3400
02:19:18,420 --> 02:19:14,800
on to that old model you know they just

3401
02:19:20,130 --> 02:19:18,430
interestingly they just published a book

3402
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:20,140
and they published a book and I was like

3403
02:19:23,640 --> 02:19:22,240
Gerald Posner his book about JFK it was

3404
02:19:25,470 --> 02:19:23,650
like yep everything the government said

3405
02:19:27,690 --> 02:19:25,480
is true so shut up with the conspiracies

3406
02:19:31,260 --> 02:19:27,700
they just published a new book about the

3407
02:19:33,500 --> 02:19:31,270
pyramid and it happened right before

3408
02:19:37,470 --> 02:19:33,510
new room was found in the pyramid or

3409
02:19:39,570 --> 02:19:37,480
that chamber right right yeah there may

3410
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,580
be a chamber there and so they go out

3411
02:19:43,500 --> 02:19:41,200
and they do this publicity tour and as I

3412
02:19:45,060 --> 02:19:43,510
said at the top of the show you know the

3413
02:19:46,170 --> 02:19:45,070
essence of science is that there's a

3414
02:19:47,430 --> 02:19:46,180
time and a place where you can make

3415
02:19:48,810 --> 02:19:47,440
conclusions but there's also a time

3416
02:19:51,390 --> 02:19:48,820
where you can't make conclusions because

3417
02:19:53,610 --> 02:19:51,400
the data is not settled you know analyze

3418
02:19:54,841 --> 02:19:53,620
yet and they were a little too quick to

3419
02:19:57,661 --> 02:19:54,851
come out and say oh there's not a room

3420
02:20:03,440 --> 02:19:57,671
there that's that's an and my whole life

3421
02:20:07,051 --> 02:20:03,450
I've been there's been a sort of

3422
02:20:08,730 --> 02:20:07,061
obstacle made of invisible bricks it's

3423
02:20:10,921 --> 02:20:08,740
just it's always there and it's just

3424
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:10,931
there to keep people from taking this

3425
02:20:14,761 --> 02:20:13,120
seriously and I don't understand what's

3426
02:20:18,530 --> 02:20:14,771
behind it I don't think it's accidental

3427
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:18,540
but beyond that I can only speculate and

3428
02:20:26,041 --> 02:20:22,450
and when you walk around the the plateau

3429
02:20:30,091 --> 02:20:26,051
there there's so much sand that is still

3430
02:20:31,951 --> 02:20:30,101
left this is what I said too I said this

3431
02:20:34,711 --> 02:20:31,961
to shock a couple of weeks ago

3432
02:20:37,051 --> 02:20:34,721
and I was kind of joking but yet serious

3433
02:20:43,020 --> 02:20:37,061
if I had all the money in the world I

3434
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:43,030
would build a giant vacuum cleaner yeah

3435
02:20:46,140 --> 02:20:44,530
and give California back some of the

3436
02:20:48,301 --> 02:20:46,150
sand that it's been losing to the ocean

3437
02:20:50,701 --> 02:20:48,311
well you know I'm not too long ago

3438
02:20:52,741 --> 02:20:50,711
there's been significant breakthroughs

3439
02:20:53,970 --> 02:20:52,751
in technology where you can just fly

3440
02:20:55,591 --> 02:20:53,980
over in a plane and look right through

3441
02:20:57,091 --> 02:20:55,601
it like it's water and there's all kinds

3442
02:20:58,980 --> 02:20:57,101
of stuff there that nobody's found yet I

3443
02:21:01,381 --> 02:20:58,990
forget the guys name he's a really

3444
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,391
prominent guy in Egypt super smart he

3445
02:21:04,921 --> 02:21:03,280
looks like John Podesta just super sharp

3446
02:21:07,711 --> 02:21:04,931
character that was one of those people

3447
02:21:09,270 --> 02:21:07,721
behind Zoey and he got the contract to

3448
02:21:11,161 --> 02:21:09,280
develop this technology and then

3449
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:11,171
suddenly everything went quiet in Egypt

3450
02:21:14,940 --> 02:21:13,330
so there's some massive things that

3451
02:21:16,711 --> 02:21:14,950
they've found by looking under the sand

3452
02:21:19,320 --> 02:21:16,721
that we're not allowed to know about did

3453
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:19,330
you just say DeLong and Podesta in

3454
02:21:30,421 --> 02:21:27,490
inside of five minutes you just want to

3455
02:21:33,900 --> 02:21:30,431
see Twitter light up and very

3456
02:21:35,461 --> 02:21:33,910
effectively done and I want to hold you

3457
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:35,471
over we're gonna be heading toward the

3458
02:21:39,810 --> 02:21:37,450
break I want to hold you over for a

3459
02:21:43,110 --> 02:21:39,820
little over time if that's okay awesome

3460
02:21:43,980 --> 02:21:43,120
all right is this when you wouldn't you

3461
02:21:47,700 --> 02:21:43,990
look

3462
02:21:51,180 --> 02:21:47,710
and again I'm not bashing on Lana at all

3463
02:21:54,510 --> 02:21:51,190
but when you look around there obviously

3464
02:21:58,260 --> 02:21:54,520
is stuff underneath that sand still you

3465
02:22:01,350 --> 02:21:58,270
know there it's not over on the plateau

3466
02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:01,360
and then we look at this chamber that

3467
02:22:07,170 --> 02:22:04,930
you know again I will bash on Zahi I

3468
02:22:08,670 --> 02:22:07,180
have no problem with that but but his

3469
02:22:11,880 --> 02:22:08,680
whole thing you know I don't believe in

3470
02:22:13,650 --> 02:22:11,890
radar radar does not exist right and and

3471
02:22:17,430 --> 02:22:13,660
and there's nothing there's nothing left

3472
02:22:19,469 --> 02:22:17,440
to discover well clearly there is and

3473
02:22:22,320 --> 02:22:19,479
when you look at the Great Pyramid you

3474
02:22:25,620 --> 02:22:22,330
know that it is not over with and now

3475
02:22:27,210 --> 02:22:25,630
they have found a chamber and I really

3476
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,220
think that there is a lot of stuff

3477
02:22:31,230 --> 02:22:29,680
underneath that sand but they just don't

3478
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:31,240
want to go and figure it out they would

3479
02:22:35,430 --> 02:22:32,800
rather say there's nothing to see here

3480
02:22:38,280 --> 02:22:35,440
move along yep

3481
02:22:40,140 --> 02:22:38,290
and if you do that I mean that one thing

3482
02:22:41,820 --> 02:22:40,150
I have to admit Azha he's an incredibly

3483
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:41,830
intelligent person or just a real

3484
02:22:46,130 --> 02:22:44,290
powerhouse like I would not want to get

3485
02:22:48,660 --> 02:22:46,140
in a fistfight with him and you know the

3486
02:22:51,900 --> 02:22:48,670
Egyptian in the Arabic way is very

3487
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:51,910
forceful and hyper masculine and so he's

3488
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:55,210
a fantastic Bulldog and his mind is very

3489
02:23:00,540 --> 02:22:57,040
acute but I think he's been doing this

3490
02:23:02,460 --> 02:23:00,550
for so long that he jumps in before it's

3491
02:23:04,860 --> 02:23:02,470
appropriate to jump in and in a sense

3492
02:23:07,350 --> 02:23:04,870
gives himself away by how polarized he

3493
02:23:09,270 --> 02:23:07,360
is if even once during our entire lives

3494
02:23:11,130 --> 02:23:09,280
he would have admitted something was

3495
02:23:12,719 --> 02:23:11,140
cool and mysterious something he didn't

3496
02:23:14,390 --> 02:23:12,729
already know about it that would go a

3497
02:23:16,920 --> 02:23:14,400
long way but the fact that he's got a

3498
02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:16,930
100% record for coming out of the

3499
02:23:20,670 --> 02:23:19,330
woodwork just to just to discredit

3500
02:23:22,980 --> 02:23:20,680
something and then go away again and

3501
02:23:24,690 --> 02:23:22,990
that whole thing about pyramid it's you

3502
02:23:26,340 --> 02:23:24,700
know that common clip of him that he

3503
02:23:28,770 --> 02:23:26,350
says anyone who I won't try and do the

3504
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:28,780
accent but he says anyone who you know

3505
02:23:33,930 --> 02:23:31,650
sees people see all these imaginary

3506
02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:33,940
measurements in the pyramid and I just I

3507
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:35,200
call those people pyrimidines

3508
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:39,280
and I just to me when you've run out of

3509
02:23:41,940 --> 02:23:40,479
intellectual bullets you start

3510
02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:41,950
name-calling you know what I mean

3511
02:23:47,550 --> 02:23:44,110
and the essence of science isn't your

3512
02:23:50,969 --> 02:23:47,560
emotions have no place in science so you

3513
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:50,979
don't hear Thomas Edison calling people

3514
02:23:54,360 --> 02:23:52,690
idiots who don't agree with him I don't

3515
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:54,370
know maybe you do but he was a colorful

3516
02:23:57,360 --> 02:23:55,930
character Edison but you know what I

3517
02:23:57,540 --> 02:23:57,370
mean there's a place for science on

3518
02:23:59,520 --> 02:23:57,550
there

3519
02:24:01,290 --> 02:23:59,530
an arena of science where the best ideas

3520
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:01,300
go in and fight it out and that's what

3521
02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:03,040
determines what's right and if you have

3522
02:24:06,330 --> 02:24:04,810
to resort to name-calling and I'm not

3523
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:06,340
even going to address that argument

3524
02:24:10,050 --> 02:24:07,600
because that person's an idiot or

3525
02:24:12,210 --> 02:24:10,060
anybody who recognizes that the pyramid

3526
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:12,220
has the exact distance to the moon and

3527
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:14,080
incorporates the speed of light and its

3528
02:24:17,910 --> 02:24:15,490
measurements and there's some stuff

3529
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:17,920
we're gonna be showing the Gary Osborne

3530
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:18,880
and Robert Bauval have been

3531
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:21,010
collaborating on where it's just

3532
02:24:25,050 --> 02:24:23,050
breathtaking the stuff that's in the

3533
02:24:29,250 --> 02:24:25,060
pyramids that people haven't noticed so

3534
02:24:31,980 --> 02:24:29,260
far and I just again I keep coming back

3535
02:24:33,780 --> 02:24:31,990
to this thing that clearly I would be

3536
02:24:35,340 --> 02:24:33,790
surprised if they didn't know as much as

3537
02:24:38,040 --> 02:24:35,350
everybody did and it calls into

3538
02:24:39,690 --> 02:24:38,050
attention who's really what is their

3539
02:24:40,920 --> 02:24:39,700
real role there and why is it so

3540
02:24:43,170 --> 02:24:40,930
important that we not make these

3541
02:24:46,980 --> 02:24:43,180
discoveries well you know the thing is

3542
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:46,990
was I over the years he is like you said

3543
02:24:52,770 --> 02:24:50,290
he's clearly intelligent but when he had

3544
02:24:55,830 --> 02:24:52,780
that dust-up that I'm not going to go

3545
02:24:58,380 --> 02:24:55,840
into it but when he had that dust-up and

3546
02:24:59,849 --> 02:24:58,390
that video spread and he turns around

3547
02:25:01,889 --> 02:24:59,859
for somebody that's supposed to know

3548
02:25:03,870 --> 02:25:01,899
everything about everything when it

3549
02:25:05,190 --> 02:25:03,880
comes to archaeology and Egypt and

3550
02:25:08,460 --> 02:25:05,200
megalithic structures and everything

3551
02:25:10,050 --> 02:25:08,470
else and for him to say well gobekli

3552
02:25:12,840 --> 02:25:10,060
tepe i've never heard of Gobekli Tepe

3553
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:12,850
what these two talking about I'm like

3554
02:25:17,250 --> 02:25:16,000
wait a minute dude you know you can't

3555
02:25:20,429 --> 02:25:17,260
you can't

3556
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:20,439
did he just say that you know and I just

3557
02:25:25,620 --> 02:25:23,290
lost that's it I mean for me I did he's

3558
02:25:29,580 --> 02:25:25,630
a canceled check I just don't take me

3559
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:29,590
serious anymore well said yeah yeah he

3560
02:25:33,960 --> 02:25:31,120
take you know like I said I don't bash

3561
02:25:36,719 --> 02:25:33,970
on anybody but that just and and this

3562
02:25:39,059 --> 02:25:36,729
was directed at not only Graham but

3563
02:25:40,620 --> 02:25:39,069
Robert and all of the the brilliant

3564
02:25:44,610 --> 02:25:40,630
research that has gone down about

3565
02:25:48,300 --> 02:25:44,620
Gobekli and and Gobekli is overshadowing

3566
02:25:51,300 --> 02:25:48,310
his precious pyramid structure as being

3567
02:25:54,300 --> 02:25:51,310
the original you know the start of the

3568
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:54,310
human race was right here and now you

3569
02:25:58,980 --> 02:25:57,130
know the the reason that he is really

3570
02:26:00,750 --> 02:25:58,990
polarized against gobekli tepe was that

3571
02:26:02,849 --> 02:26:00,760
so much of their argument that they used

3572
02:26:04,020 --> 02:26:02,859
to riddle and ridicule John was that

3573
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:04,030
there's no cult there was no

3574
02:26:07,410 --> 02:26:05,290
civilization at that time so what you're

3575
02:26:07,820 --> 02:26:07,420
saying couldn't be true and later and

3576
02:26:09,261 --> 02:26:07,830
mister

3577
02:26:10,730 --> 02:26:09,271
the sphinx said that classic line well

3578
02:26:13,100 --> 02:26:10,740
if that was the case show me a pot shard

3579
02:26:14,420 --> 02:26:13,110
show me this show me a pot shard and all

3580
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:14,430
of a sudden gobekli tepe is like the

3581
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:16,530
grandmother of all pot shards and so

3582
02:26:20,330 --> 02:26:18,690
they hate that because they used to be

3583
02:26:21,890 --> 02:26:20,340
able to disqualify John just by saying

3584
02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:21,900
well we all know there was no

3585
02:26:24,890 --> 02:26:23,250
civilization back then so what you're

3586
02:26:27,380 --> 02:26:24,900
saying can't be true and now hopefully

3587
02:26:29,180 --> 02:26:27,390
we know that there was a civilization so

3588
02:26:31,761 --> 02:26:29,190
what else is John said that turns out

3589
02:26:34,520 --> 02:26:31,771
very probably John's entire model is

3590
02:26:36,380 --> 02:26:34,530
exactly correct and that it's Egyptology

3591
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:36,390
that built its castle on the sand and

3592
02:26:39,740 --> 02:26:39,210
not only that can you imagine with

3593
02:26:46,670 --> 02:26:39,750
Lehner

3594
02:26:50,030 --> 02:26:46,680
and the entire professional society if

3595
02:26:53,660 --> 02:26:50,040
that convention that conference in San

3596
02:26:57,080 --> 02:26:53,670
Diego was held three years later yeah

3597
02:26:59,240 --> 02:26:57,090
three years later that which one are you

3598
02:27:02,450 --> 02:26:59,250
talking about with a 1992 conference

3599
02:27:04,670 --> 02:27:02,460
when him in shock oh right right so

3600
02:27:07,190 --> 02:27:04,680
three years later gobekli tepe

3601
02:27:08,780 --> 02:27:07,200
is discovered and then well you know

3602
02:27:10,100 --> 02:27:08,790
that thing that happened real recently I

3603
02:27:12,200 --> 02:27:10,110
don't know if it was before or maybe it

3604
02:27:15,860 --> 02:27:12,210
was Graham but somebody in a major

3605
02:27:16,700 --> 02:27:15,870
university a big arena you know I don't

3606
02:27:18,110 --> 02:27:16,710
know how many people there lots of

3607
02:27:19,490 --> 02:27:18,120
people were there and they were gonna

3608
02:27:21,860 --> 02:27:19,500
have a debate between Zahi and Graham

3609
02:27:26,180 --> 02:27:21,870
say goes Graham I feel as Robert forgive

3610
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:26,190
me but it became so clear before the

3611
02:27:30,740 --> 02:27:28,080
debate even started that those people

3612
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:30,750
were just there to laugh at sahi and he

3613
02:27:34,250 --> 02:27:32,490
was literally drummed out of the arena

3614
02:27:35,960 --> 02:27:34,260
he actually quit like ran away with his

3615
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:35,970
tail between his yeah that wasn't so

3616
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:40,290
that was in Egypt that was ah he going

3617
02:27:46,130 --> 02:27:43,050
back to Egypt that was a lot just home

3618
02:27:48,620 --> 02:27:46,140
turf yeah that was in Cairo that was his

3619
02:27:50,360 --> 02:27:48,630
big triumphant return I do believe I

3620
02:27:53,301 --> 02:27:50,370
could be wrong we got to take a break

3621
02:27:55,970 --> 02:27:53,311
right here and when we come back man we

3622
02:27:57,920 --> 02:27:55,980
almost almost ran right up to the

3623
02:28:00,051 --> 02:27:57,930
network break when we come back we're

3624
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:00,061
gonna do a little overtime with a chance

3625
02:28:04,940 --> 02:28:02,850
Gardner and when we come back I want to

3626
02:28:07,880 --> 02:28:04,950
know and we haven't danced here yet

3627
02:28:11,910 --> 02:28:07,890
chance I want to know what you think the

3628
02:28:13,950 --> 02:28:11,920
Great Pyramid was built for don't know

3629
02:28:15,330 --> 02:28:13,960
we'll wait till we come back this is

3630
02:28:17,849 --> 02:28:15,340
fade to black I'm Yours Jimmy church

3631
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:17,859
tonight chance Gardner the director of

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02:28:21,730 --> 02:28:18,970
magical Egypt

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02:28:35,500 --> 02:28:21,740
one and two we'll be right back

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3704
02:31:49,740 --> 02:31:47,681
and feeling better learn more in order

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02:31:57,450 --> 02:31:49,750
your nature's use RSS at nature's youth

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02:32:03,720 --> 02:32:00,051
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02:32:14,551 --> 02:32:03,730
it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3708
02:32:19,330 --> 02:32:14,561
born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ

3709
02:32:33,690 --> 02:32:30,890
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3710
02:32:35,371 --> 02:32:33,700
welcome back fate the block doing a

3711
02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:35,381
little overtime with chance gardener

3712
02:32:42,030 --> 02:32:38,530
excited about this I knew it - by the

3713
02:32:44,041 --> 02:32:42,040
way we said the chance before the Java

3714
02:32:47,161 --> 02:32:44,051
we're gonna run out of time and get

3715
02:32:49,501 --> 02:32:47,171
ready for some overtime and you can go

3716
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:49,511
ahead and verify do we have that exact

3717
02:32:57,421 --> 02:32:52,570
conversation that is exactly as he said

3718
02:33:01,551 --> 02:32:57,431
now what this is this is where I trip a

3719
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:01,561
little bit and and let's let's go there

3720
02:33:05,671 --> 02:33:03,690
everybody and that includes these

3721
02:33:08,301 --> 02:33:05,681
Egyptologist everybody's got a theory

3722
02:33:11,970 --> 02:33:08,311
about the purpose of the Great Pyramid

3723
02:33:14,251 --> 02:33:11,980
and I I think that everything all those

3724
02:33:16,140 --> 02:33:14,261
chips need to be pushed to the center of

3725
02:33:18,930 --> 02:33:16,150
the table and and and discussed because

3726
02:33:21,001 --> 02:33:18,940
clearly we don't have a blueprint we

3727
02:33:24,810 --> 02:33:21,011
don't have a book we don't have an

3728
02:33:26,671 --> 02:33:24,820
instruction manual so what what is your

3729
02:33:29,581 --> 02:33:26,681
take well yeah how do you what's your

3730
02:33:31,921 --> 02:33:29,591
what's your gut tell you today well

3731
02:33:34,110 --> 02:33:31,931
obviously this is one of the scratching

3732
02:33:35,940 --> 02:33:34,120
posts that a lot of much better minds

3733
02:33:38,461 --> 02:33:35,950
than I have been scratching at for a

3734
02:33:41,100 --> 02:33:38,471
long time there's that you know was a

3735
02:33:42,780 --> 02:33:41,110
real popular Christopher Dunn idea that

3736
02:33:45,690 --> 02:33:42,790
the whole thing was a electrical

3737
02:33:49,770 --> 02:33:45,700
generator and there was that I figured

3738
02:33:50,911 --> 02:33:49,780
who it was a famous you know pirate or

3739
02:33:51,900 --> 02:33:50,921
something that then lived in the

3740
02:33:53,490 --> 02:33:51,910
pyramids for a long time his names

3741
02:33:55,650 --> 02:33:53,500
carved there and he showed with the

3742
02:33:57,121 --> 02:33:55,660
Leyden jar in the wet paper you know

3743
02:33:59,400 --> 02:33:57,131
what a Leyden jar is you make this

3744
02:34:03,171 --> 02:33:59,410
electrical accumulated and so people

3745
02:34:05,490 --> 02:34:03,181
back in you know 15 16 1700 s were

3746
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:05,500
interested in the weird amount of

3747
02:34:09,121 --> 02:34:07,120
electricity of the pyramid accumulated

3748
02:34:10,860 --> 02:34:09,131
the more I think about it and especially

3749
02:34:14,581 --> 02:34:10,870
I've had this series of conversations

3750
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:14,591
with Robert Bauval that I literally

3751
02:34:17,490 --> 02:34:16,000
sometimes talking to him while all these

3752
02:34:20,161 --> 02:34:17,500
people John and Graham do this to me -

3753
02:34:22,530 --> 02:34:20,171
but befall and I recently did a 3-hour

3754
02:34:24,060 --> 02:34:22,540
interview and I'm pieces pieces of it

3755
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:24,070
are coming out in the upcoming episodes

3756
02:34:27,301 --> 02:34:25,690
but talking to him sometimes is like

3757
02:34:30,121 --> 02:34:27,311
eating a sandwich that's bigger than my

3758
02:34:31,980 --> 02:34:30,131
head and and I've got to expand myself

3759
02:34:34,140 --> 02:34:31,990
to such a place where I can even process

3760
02:34:37,740 --> 02:34:34,150
these ideas

3761
02:34:39,421 --> 02:34:37,750
so remember Mayor McCheese or the over

3762
02:34:41,080 --> 02:34:39,431
those old McDonald's commercials that

3763
02:34:42,760 --> 02:34:41,090
thing was out a giant hamburger head

3764
02:34:43,929 --> 02:34:42,770
my head looks like that a lot of the

3765
02:34:45,960 --> 02:34:43,939
time after I talked above all just

3766
02:34:48,760 --> 02:34:45,970
trying to accommodate these huge ideas

3767
02:34:50,349 --> 02:34:48,770
he seems to think well anyway the

3768
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:50,359
question that was raised in my mind from

3769
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:52,880
talking to him about this is its kind of

3770
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:54,410
it doesn't have to be these only these

3771
02:34:57,280 --> 02:34:56,000
two things but it's either functional

3772
02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:57,290
like it's a machine that does something

3773
02:35:01,870 --> 02:35:00,080
or it's representational where we talked

3774
02:35:02,920 --> 02:35:01,880
a lot in the show about didactic art the

3775
02:35:04,660 --> 02:35:02,930
point of art and the point of

3776
02:35:06,820 --> 02:35:04,670
architecture in the old days was to be

3777
02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:06,830
didactic to communicate information

3778
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:08,930
you know before paper before you carried

3779
02:35:11,710 --> 02:35:10,010
a book around there were books that you

3780
02:35:13,719 --> 02:35:11,720
walk through and the temple so that the

3781
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:13,729
temples are 3d books that you walk

3782
02:35:15,580 --> 02:35:14,090
through

3783
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:15,590
they're didactic they're they're

3784
02:35:21,960 --> 02:35:18,800
educational so but all seems to think

3785
02:35:24,219 --> 02:35:21,970
that because of the weird number of

3786
02:35:25,929 --> 02:35:24,229
universal constants and mathematical

3787
02:35:28,570 --> 02:35:25,939
constants and geometric proportions and

3788
02:35:31,540 --> 02:35:28,580
these there is by the way this if you

3789
02:35:33,250 --> 02:35:31,550
know at the right place in the pyramid

3790
02:35:34,929 --> 02:35:33,260
it tells you the exact distance from the

3791
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:34,939
earth to the moon it tells you the exact

3792
02:35:38,740 --> 02:35:36,080
circumference of the earth that tells

3793
02:35:40,900 --> 02:35:38,750
you the exact incorporated in the in the

3794
02:35:42,940 --> 02:35:40,910
proportions of the pyramid are all these

3795
02:35:46,840 --> 02:35:42,950
unbelievable things and I don't think

3796
02:35:48,310 --> 02:35:46,850
I'm scooping anybody Robert Bauval Gary

3797
02:35:50,860 --> 02:35:48,320
Osborne recently just published a book

3798
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:50,870
and Gary's published this already so I'm

3799
02:35:53,469 --> 02:35:52,250
not letting anybody send it out if

3800
02:35:55,480 --> 02:35:53,479
anything I'm promoting the book that

3801
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:55,490
they're putting out but incorporated in

3802
02:36:00,130 --> 02:35:56,960
the measurements of the pyramid are the

3803
02:36:02,139 --> 02:36:00,140
speed of light down to like 27 digits

3804
02:36:03,340 --> 02:36:02,149
it's just freakish how the more we

3805
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:03,350
learned about the pyramid the more it

3806
02:36:07,360 --> 02:36:05,359
seems to be this just boom wrestling

3807
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:07,370
with all of these Universal constants

3808
02:36:11,290 --> 02:36:08,960
and things that humanity really needs to

3809
02:36:12,790 --> 02:36:11,300
know to get anywhere or things that they

3810
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:12,800
wouldn't recognize until we got to a

3811
02:36:16,210 --> 02:36:14,810
certain point so if you like Stanley

3812
02:36:18,580 --> 02:36:16,220
Kubrick I know you're kind of a film

3813
02:36:21,190 --> 02:36:18,590
buff you know 2001 and that monolith

3814
02:36:22,750 --> 02:36:21,200
that was just there and was inaccessible

3815
02:36:24,910 --> 02:36:22,760
until humanity had reached a certain

3816
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:24,920
level of Technology the pyramid is that

3817
02:36:30,460 --> 02:36:28,880
in a certain way but a lot of things

3818
02:36:32,170 --> 02:36:30,470
incorporate sacred geometry and they

3819
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:32,180
don't do it for other people like is

3820
02:36:35,080 --> 02:36:33,680
Bauval points out a lot of the most

3821
02:36:37,150 --> 02:36:35,090
interesting stuff about the pyramids or

3822
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:37,160
things that you would never see from the

3823
02:36:43,170 --> 02:36:38,210
outside because they're all covered with

3824
02:36:46,090 --> 02:36:43,180
rock and stuff so it may turn out that

3825
02:36:47,170 --> 02:36:46,100
excuse me it may turn out that there's a

3826
02:36:48,969 --> 02:36:47,180
function in the pyramid that people

3827
02:36:50,290 --> 02:36:48,979
haven't figured out yet and there's a

3828
02:36:52,210 --> 02:36:50,300
musician myself and you know about this

3829
02:36:54,460 --> 02:36:52,220
when you're playing guitar in a room and

3830
02:36:54,820 --> 02:36:54,470
there's a drum set in the room there's

3831
02:36:56,261 --> 02:36:54,830
certain

3832
02:36:58,720 --> 02:36:56,271
you can hit on the bass that'll make the

3833
02:37:01,030 --> 02:36:58,730
cymbals vibrate right it's this kind of

3834
02:37:03,100 --> 02:37:01,040
primal prototypical magic where you're

3835
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:03,110
in that you're creating an effect in a

3836
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:04,640
distance with no visible connection

3837
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:05,840
between the two of you but I can do

3838
02:37:09,310 --> 02:37:07,280
something and something from a distance

3839
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:09,320
resonates in this certain way it's

3840
02:37:15,070 --> 02:37:12,080
really the essence of magic so the

3841
02:37:17,170 --> 02:37:15,080
pyramid is so based on these resonant

3842
02:37:19,540 --> 02:37:17,180
proportions and these things that are

3843
02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:19,550
exact multiples of the size of the earth

3844
02:37:22,840 --> 02:37:21,290
and exact multiples of this you know a

3845
02:37:25,660 --> 02:37:22,850
surface area of the earth and exact

3846
02:37:30,040 --> 02:37:25,670
multiples from the distance from and so

3847
02:37:32,110 --> 02:37:30,050
a guitar this just came up when I was

3848
02:37:33,820 --> 02:37:32,120
talking to Robert the other day I might

3849
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:33,830
Gretsch that we were talking about then

3850
02:37:38,110 --> 02:37:35,120
we using this Gracchus Oh specialist

3851
02:37:40,330 --> 02:37:38,120
Brian Setzer took an old 2160 Country

3852
02:37:42,040 --> 02:37:40,340
Gentlemen Gretch and with his own money

3853
02:37:43,480 --> 02:37:42,050
he took it to cedars-sinai hospital and

3854
02:37:45,100 --> 02:37:43,490
he had a cat scan done on it because

3855
02:37:46,450 --> 02:37:45,110
there was some resonant property that

3856
02:37:49,000 --> 02:37:46,460
this guitar had that he'd never found

3857
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:49,010
another guitar that had and when you

3858
02:37:54,100 --> 02:37:50,930
x-rayed the guitar there was a support

3859
02:37:57,310 --> 02:37:54,110
bridge that no other guitar has and so

3860
02:37:58,390 --> 02:37:57,320
by under a and looking at these things

3861
02:38:01,660 --> 02:37:58,400
he would never be able to observe from

3862
02:38:03,630 --> 02:38:01,670
the outside there were features of this

3863
02:38:06,580 --> 02:38:03,640
guitar that made it more resonant and

3864
02:38:10,410 --> 02:38:06,590
there's so much about the pyramids that

3865
02:38:14,170 --> 02:38:10,420
has to do with this resonance or this

3866
02:38:15,790 --> 02:38:14,180
correspondence and so I'm like a dog

3867
02:38:16,960 --> 02:38:15,800
trying to study the stock market you

3868
02:38:18,790 --> 02:38:16,970
know or a fish trying to ride the

3869
02:38:20,140 --> 02:38:18,800
bicycle it's clearly the product and

3870
02:38:22,930 --> 02:38:20,150
intelligence that I'm not gonna come

3871
02:38:24,850 --> 02:38:22,940
anywhere close to but you can do things

3872
02:38:26,650 --> 02:38:24,860
you can observe things and the nature of

3873
02:38:29,261 --> 02:38:26,660
consciousness and inquisitiveness is

3874
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:29,271
that how many things do I understand

3875
02:38:32,980 --> 02:38:30,800
about this and what kind of model can I

3876
02:38:34,420 --> 02:38:32,990
put together I would like to think that

3877
02:38:36,070 --> 02:38:34,430
it's functional the way that it's

3878
02:38:38,261 --> 02:38:36,080
situated in the exact center of the

3879
02:38:40,330 --> 02:38:38,271
landmasses it's just heavy enough that

3880
02:38:41,740 --> 02:38:40,340
it might do something to the rotation of

3881
02:38:44,261 --> 02:38:41,750
the earth it might have a stabilizing

3882
02:38:45,880 --> 02:38:44,271
effect if the earth was terraformed this

3883
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:45,890
would be a fantastic kind of technology

3884
02:38:49,810 --> 02:38:47,120
that would help the terraforming of the

3885
02:38:52,511 --> 02:38:49,820
earth there may be something with

3886
02:38:56,940 --> 02:38:52,521
resonance where it allowed the transfer

3887
02:38:59,470 --> 02:38:56,950
of vibrations or power of some kind and

3888
02:39:03,430 --> 02:38:59,480
maybe it was ornamentation or maybe it

3889
02:39:04,630 --> 02:39:03,440
was just there as this repository

3890
02:39:06,910 --> 02:39:04,640
did you ever see Hitchhiker's Guide to

3891
02:39:08,800 --> 02:39:06,920
the galaxy by the way I watch it once a

3892
02:39:11,139 --> 02:39:08,810
month I'll get on you

3893
02:39:13,539 --> 02:39:11,149
start a church based on that anyway you

3894
02:39:14,889 --> 02:39:13,549
know that idea that he I stood next to

3895
02:39:16,389 --> 02:39:14,899
Douglas Adams once I shook his hand

3896
02:39:20,920 --> 02:39:16,399
Douglas Adams used to write for Monty

3897
02:39:23,679 --> 02:39:20,930
Python anyway they're in that movie

3898
02:39:25,389 --> 02:39:23,689
there was this fantastic scene where

3899
02:39:27,309 --> 02:39:25,399
this guy who was the creator of worlds

3900
02:39:31,809 --> 02:39:27,319
always found some clever way to sign his

3901
02:39:36,039 --> 02:39:31,819
work if there was some you know vastly

3902
02:39:38,529 --> 02:39:36,049
more superior intelligence and they left

3903
02:39:40,329 --> 02:39:38,539
their signature I would you know I

3904
02:39:41,409 --> 02:39:40,339
wouldn't be surprised if that's and

3905
02:39:43,539 --> 02:39:41,419
there's just something about it that's

3906
02:39:45,309 --> 02:39:43,549
so smart it's hard to put into words and

3907
02:39:47,500 --> 02:39:45,319
to me the closest I've come to even

3908
02:39:49,090 --> 02:39:47,510
starting to file it in my mind is it's

3909
02:39:51,880 --> 02:39:49,100
either functional or it's

3910
02:39:54,189 --> 02:39:51,890
representational and it's incredibly

3911
02:39:55,210 --> 02:39:54,199
interesting in both situations I always

3912
02:39:58,090 --> 02:39:55,220
thought of sort of funny that people

3913
02:40:00,309 --> 02:39:58,100
said they put all those stones up to

3914
02:40:01,779 --> 02:40:00,319
protect the body of the Pharaoh and then

3915
02:40:04,539 --> 02:40:01,789
that show what are in an episode

3916
02:40:05,889 --> 02:40:04,549
whatever it was - I think or one um I do

3917
02:40:07,479 --> 02:40:05,899
made the observation that sort of made

3918
02:40:09,069 --> 02:40:07,489
me laugh that if you're gonna hide

3919
02:40:11,050 --> 02:40:09,079
something what's the most innocuous

3920
02:40:12,729 --> 02:40:11,060
place to hide something I know how about

3921
02:40:13,420 --> 02:40:12,739
the exact center of the Earth's

3922
02:40:15,729 --> 02:40:13,430
landmasses

3923
02:40:17,319 --> 02:40:15,739
there's gotta be no place in the world

3924
02:40:18,639 --> 02:40:17,329
that's more prominent than the exact

3925
02:40:19,989 --> 02:40:18,649
center of the Earth's landmasses

3926
02:40:21,579 --> 02:40:19,999
the idea that you're gonna hide

3927
02:40:23,619 --> 02:40:21,589
something by putting it in the exact

3928
02:40:28,929 --> 02:40:23,629
center of the Earth's landmasses it's

3929
02:40:30,779 --> 02:40:28,939
funny to me well this is where the the

3930
02:40:34,719 --> 02:40:30,789
shaft that goes to the lower chamber

3931
02:40:37,329 --> 02:40:34,729
which is you know it's 300 feet and it's

3932
02:40:40,479 --> 02:40:37,339
3 foot square is perfect it's utterly

3933
02:40:44,859 --> 02:40:40,489
straight and perfect but I have always

3934
02:40:47,559 --> 02:40:44,869
felt that that lower chamber was there

3935
02:40:50,109 --> 02:40:47,569
already that there's Wow that there's a

3936
02:40:52,539 --> 02:40:50,119
cave so they they dug that chamber or

3937
02:40:55,840 --> 02:40:52,549
they dug the shaft to go to that chamber

3938
02:40:57,939 --> 02:40:55,850
and you know Andrew Collins found you

3939
02:41:01,239 --> 02:40:57,949
know the cave system underneath Giza and

3940
02:41:03,969 --> 02:41:01,249
and I've often wondered if that cave

3941
02:41:06,279 --> 02:41:03,979
system isn't connected to that lower

3942
02:41:08,139 --> 02:41:06,289
chamber and that there's other stuff

3943
02:41:12,609 --> 02:41:08,149
down there and that's what that shaft

3944
02:41:14,619 --> 02:41:12,619
was dug for and and then the the pyramid

3945
02:41:19,529 --> 02:41:14,629
was built on top of that and that that

3946
02:41:22,610 --> 02:41:19,539
that the lower shaft was done first

3947
02:41:24,140 --> 02:41:22,620
now if the pyramid works there

3948
02:41:27,740 --> 02:41:24,150
if the Great Pyramid weren't even there

3949
02:41:29,330 --> 02:41:27,750
it would still be this wonder of the

3950
02:41:33,591 --> 02:41:29,340
ancient world because the platform that

3951
02:41:35,180 --> 02:41:33,601
the pyramids on is the amount of stone

3952
02:41:36,801 --> 02:41:35,190
and the size of the stones that are in

3953
02:41:39,740 --> 02:41:36,811
the thing that the pyramid sits on is

3954
02:41:41,210 --> 02:41:39,750
this thing that is so vast and wharfs

3955
02:41:42,020 --> 02:41:41,220
anything in the pyramids and some people

3956
02:41:43,370 --> 02:41:42,030
think that that was there long before

3957
02:41:44,540 --> 02:41:43,380
the pyramid was there or that the

3958
02:41:46,130 --> 02:41:44,550
pyramid was built over the top of

3959
02:41:50,560 --> 02:41:46,140
something incredibly old that was

3960
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:50,570
already there but that room down below

3961
02:41:55,610 --> 02:41:53,130
have you been in there right no I have

3962
02:41:55,970 --> 02:41:55,620
not we're going next year though oh it's

3963
02:41:58,370 --> 02:41:55,980
crazy

3964
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:58,380
well what you'll notice is that it looks

3965
02:42:03,410 --> 02:42:00,720
like it started as a fairly small room

3966
02:42:06,500 --> 02:42:03,420
and over the years people scooped really

3967
02:42:09,020 --> 02:42:06,510
ugly and crudely scooped more and more

3968
02:42:11,270 --> 02:42:09,030
of this room out as the years went by

3969
02:42:14,120 --> 02:42:11,280
and then they left in this unfinished

3970
02:42:16,011 --> 02:42:14,130
State like this is exactly the square

3971
02:42:18,350 --> 02:42:16,021
inches of raw material we need down here

3972
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:18,360
and so john was the first one john west

3973
02:42:21,770 --> 02:42:20,010
was the first one that I'd heard suggest

3974
02:42:24,140 --> 02:42:21,780
this idea that maybe it has something to

3975
02:42:25,730 --> 02:42:24,150
do with resonance because you scoop out

3976
02:42:28,520 --> 02:42:25,740
more and more and more until the

3977
02:42:30,830 --> 02:42:28,530
resonance is just right but you got to

3978
02:42:32,210 --> 02:42:30,840
think about very clever people and you

3979
02:42:33,940 --> 02:42:32,220
put a big pile of rocks in front of

3980
02:42:36,051 --> 02:42:33,950
anybody and people are gonna be spending

3981
02:42:38,570 --> 02:42:36,061
centuries trying to dig in and steal

3982
02:42:41,390 --> 02:42:38,580
whatever's there so I don't know how

3983
02:42:43,880 --> 02:42:41,400
much was done by really clever ambitious

3984
02:42:44,900 --> 02:42:43,890
grave robbers but you're right when you

3985
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:44,910
get there the first thing you'll notice

3986
02:42:48,380 --> 02:42:46,890
is it's not anything like the

3987
02:42:51,140 --> 02:42:48,390
architecture

3988
02:42:56,540 --> 02:42:51,150
it doesn't seem intentional or it seems

3989
02:42:59,000 --> 02:42:56,550
like vastly vastly older now and when

3990
02:43:00,801 --> 02:42:59,010
you start to I want to discuss the

3991
02:43:03,830 --> 02:43:00,811
chamber that was just discovered too as

3992
02:43:06,200 --> 02:43:03,840
well but you bring up one of the best

3993
02:43:08,690 --> 02:43:06,210
points we can talk about two and a half

3994
02:43:11,570 --> 02:43:08,700
million rocks and stones all day long

3995
02:43:16,190 --> 02:43:11,580
and that's great it's unbelievable but

3996
02:43:19,100 --> 02:43:16,200
they leveled you know 18 heck takers or

3997
02:43:22,070 --> 02:43:19,110
18 acres of Plateau

3998
02:43:25,341 --> 02:43:22,080
yeah put the sandstone on top of that

3999
02:43:29,750 --> 02:43:25,351
each one of those stones weighs more

4000
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:29,760
than like three cars and they they not

4001
02:43:35,961 --> 02:43:33,330
only placed that but it is perfectly

4002
02:43:39,950 --> 02:43:35,971
level it's perfectly square

4003
02:43:43,070 --> 02:43:39,960
it's obviously we all know it's it's

4004
02:43:46,131 --> 02:43:43,080
directly at magnetic north to a five

4005
02:43:49,011 --> 02:43:46,141
hundredth of a degree by the way and so

4006
02:43:52,251 --> 02:43:49,021
when you apply all of that and then

4007
02:43:52,640 --> 02:43:52,261
throw in this it was done by Stone Age

4008
02:43:57,381 --> 02:43:52,650
man

4009
02:43:59,751 --> 02:43:57,391
yes stood stop playing with my emotions

4010
02:44:03,140 --> 02:43:59,761
here do you know about the you know

4011
02:44:03,980 --> 02:44:03,150
about the San Francisco I forget what

4012
02:44:06,890 --> 02:44:03,990
it's called there's a building in San

4013
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:06,900
Francisco that's a giant pyramid and it

4014
02:44:11,661 --> 02:44:08,370
was made in like eight late late

4015
02:44:13,640 --> 02:44:11,671
eighties Transamerica transit I think

4016
02:44:16,131 --> 02:44:13,650
good Anya exactly Transamerica building

4017
02:44:17,841 --> 02:44:16,141
so with the pinnacle of technology at

4018
02:44:19,610 --> 02:44:17,851
the time and relying on satellites and

4019
02:44:20,631 --> 02:44:19,620
relying on you know the best people in

4020
02:44:23,961 --> 02:44:20,641
the world the best equipment in the

4021
02:44:26,060 --> 02:44:23,971
world they sought the architect

4022
02:44:27,530 --> 02:44:26,070
admirably you know wanted to do an

4023
02:44:29,661 --> 02:44:27,540
homage to the Great Pyramid and so that

4024
02:44:31,400 --> 02:44:29,671
building is aligned to magnetic north to

4025
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:31,410
North I think not magnetic north because

4026
02:44:35,421 --> 02:44:33,210
magnetic or shifts a lot but true north

4027
02:44:37,850 --> 02:44:35,431
is always constant I may be wrong about

4028
02:44:40,190 --> 02:44:37,860
that but um anyway on they set out to do

4029
02:44:42,530 --> 02:44:40,200
that same alignment and with the best of

4030
02:44:44,030 --> 02:44:42,540
technology they're way off I mean

4031
02:44:45,950 --> 02:44:44,040
compared to the pyramid the pyramid is

4032
02:44:47,690 --> 02:44:45,960
more accurate and it's been there for

4033
02:44:48,921 --> 02:44:47,700
you know at least whatever 6,000 years

4034
02:44:50,211 --> 02:44:48,931
that we know of and maybe hundreds of

4035
02:44:53,631 --> 02:44:50,221
thousands of years maybe millions of

4036
02:44:55,251 --> 02:44:53,641
years but in all that time the pyramid

4037
02:44:57,020 --> 02:44:55,261
is still more accurate than the best of

4038
02:44:58,490 --> 02:44:57,030
technology was able to produce so if you

4039
02:45:00,200 --> 02:44:58,500
go and see if you're gonna San Francisco

4040
02:45:04,430 --> 02:45:00,210
which I highly recommend you'll see this

4041
02:45:05,541 --> 02:45:04,440
building it's off by several I don't

4042
02:45:07,610 --> 02:45:05,551
know what the measurement is but it's

4043
02:45:10,070 --> 02:45:07,620
like the pyramid is considerably more

4044
02:45:11,570 --> 02:45:10,080
precise to this day and it's just

4045
02:45:13,371 --> 02:45:11,580
another one of those many mysteries that

4046
02:45:16,761 --> 02:45:13,381
the pyramid expresses so what do you

4047
02:45:18,530 --> 02:45:16,771
think is in this chamber I sure hope

4048
02:45:20,900 --> 02:45:18,540
it's something you know what honestly

4049
02:45:22,581 --> 02:45:20,910
I'll tell you I'll bet a dollar American

4050
02:45:24,440 --> 02:45:22,591
that we're never gonna know and that

4051
02:45:25,671 --> 02:45:24,450
he's gonna kick everybody out and get in

4052
02:45:29,270 --> 02:45:25,681
there and do what he did to get and

4053
02:45:32,690 --> 02:45:29,280
brink and steal the surprise and I said

4054
02:45:35,780 --> 02:45:32,700
the exact word for word two weeks ago

4055
02:45:37,400 --> 02:45:35,790
word for word chance and I think that's

4056
02:45:40,190 --> 02:45:37,410
how it's gonna play out it's gonna be

4057
02:45:44,060 --> 02:45:40,200
empty yeah we're not gonna know whatever

4058
02:45:47,961 --> 02:45:44,070
it is right okay now what would you like

4059
02:45:49,090 --> 02:45:47,971
it to be oh my god I would love it to be

4060
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:49,100
anything it's

4061
02:45:52,840 --> 02:45:50,810
I mean what is it gonna be you know that

4062
02:45:55,630 --> 02:45:52,850
the solar boat the solar boat was just

4063
02:45:58,179 --> 02:45:55,640
found on unassembled you know

4064
02:46:00,130 --> 02:45:58,189
disassembled and when you were talking

4065
02:46:01,780 --> 02:46:00,140
before about that idea of how did these

4066
02:46:03,519 --> 02:46:01,790
ideas get around did were these people

4067
02:46:05,170 --> 02:46:03,529
in communication and stuff you know the

4068
02:46:07,090 --> 02:46:05,180
story about Thor Heyerdahl it for hired

4069
02:46:09,189 --> 02:46:07,100
all the way back did this Reid boat

4070
02:46:11,050 --> 02:46:09,199
according to the old wave that they've

4071
02:46:12,729 --> 02:46:11,060
made boats on the Altiplano just with

4072
02:46:14,410 --> 02:46:12,739
reeds but it was the high prow high

4073
02:46:16,960 --> 02:46:14,420
front prow and I back crowlike Viking

4074
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:16,970
boats yeah well there's no reason why

4075
02:46:20,170 --> 02:46:19,010
you'd need a high prow in Egypt because

4076
02:46:22,030 --> 02:46:20,180
while you're ever gonna do a sail on the

4077
02:46:24,820 --> 02:46:22,040
Nile and so everybody it's kind of a

4078
02:46:27,099 --> 02:46:24,830
prejudice of history in Egyptology that

4079
02:46:28,960 --> 02:46:27,109
there was no transoceanic sailing but

4080
02:46:30,599 --> 02:46:28,970
there are these prototypes of ships and

4081
02:46:32,920 --> 02:46:30,609
so for hire at all that amazing

4082
02:46:34,689 --> 02:46:32,930
sociologists anthropologists put

4083
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:34,699
together this old boat with just reeds

4084
02:46:40,870 --> 02:46:37,010
and stuff and sailed inter-continental

4085
02:46:43,090 --> 02:46:40,880
ii he found Easter Island and stuff

4086
02:46:45,460 --> 02:46:43,100
and so if you know about trade currents

4087
02:46:49,240 --> 02:46:45,470
which apparently they did it's not

4088
02:46:50,830 --> 02:46:49,250
unthinkable that there was contact you

4089
02:46:52,269 --> 02:46:50,840
know back in the day if you because he

4090
02:46:53,830 --> 02:46:52,279
proved that was possible and he did it

4091
02:46:54,760 --> 02:46:53,840
and he lived to tell the story and it's

4092
02:46:56,530 --> 02:46:54,770
just one of those things that nobody

4093
02:46:58,750 --> 02:46:56,540
talks about when they they try and

4094
02:47:00,700 --> 02:46:58,760
champion that idea of no contact but

4095
02:47:02,620 --> 02:47:00,710
then next to the pyramid there was this

4096
02:47:04,090 --> 02:47:02,630
thing that was just there here you go

4097
02:47:06,040 --> 02:47:04,100
humanity here's this thing it's called a

4098
02:47:07,269 --> 02:47:06,050
boat and they don't know how old it is

4099
02:47:08,649 --> 02:47:07,279
but you can go and see if they put it

4100
02:47:11,979 --> 02:47:08,659
back together and it was this high proud

4101
02:47:14,349 --> 02:47:11,989
boat that looks sort of Viking I think I

4102
02:47:15,969 --> 02:47:14,359
did a piece with this on this with John

4103
02:47:17,740 --> 02:47:15,979
where John was there and he was talking

4104
02:47:19,269 --> 02:47:17,750
about pointing things out that this was

4105
02:47:21,099 --> 02:47:19,279
supposed to be a ceremonial boat the

4106
02:47:22,210 --> 02:47:21,109
boat they said that Cyrus went to heaven

4107
02:47:24,429 --> 02:47:22,220
end and it was opposed to be symbolic

4108
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:24,439
but it's actually torn up by coral and

4109
02:47:27,880 --> 02:47:25,850
stuff and it looks like it was actually

4110
02:47:30,370 --> 02:47:27,890
in use and it seems to be this

4111
02:47:33,070 --> 02:47:30,380
transoceanic vessel that was just left

4112
02:47:34,330 --> 02:47:33,080
there for future generations and the

4113
02:47:37,240 --> 02:47:34,340
Egyptians found it and they put it

4114
02:47:38,710 --> 02:47:37,250
together and it's an amazing thing

4115
02:47:40,030 --> 02:47:38,720
there's no nails he just you put it

4116
02:47:41,290 --> 02:47:40,040
together like a kit and then when you

4117
02:47:42,510 --> 02:47:41,300
put it in the water the wood swells up

4118
02:47:45,250 --> 02:47:42,520
it makes it airtight and it's this

4119
02:47:48,370 --> 02:47:45,260
brilliant brilliant piece of engineering

4120
02:47:50,139 --> 02:47:48,380
and anyway what I would hope is that

4121
02:47:51,460 --> 02:47:50,149
there's gonna be something there like

4122
02:47:52,929 --> 02:47:51,470
you were talking about it's whatever is

4123
02:47:56,859 --> 02:47:52,939
there is more of the same that's been

4124
02:47:59,050 --> 02:47:56,869
hidden underneath the basement in the

4125
02:48:01,990 --> 02:47:59,060
Cairo Museum that I think there's things

4126
02:48:02,650 --> 02:48:02,000
that were actual tools for that enabled

4127
02:48:03,940 --> 02:48:02,660
Kundalini

4128
02:48:05,410 --> 02:48:03,950
and stuff like that you see a lot of

4129
02:48:06,790 --> 02:48:05,420
those crooks you know the crook and

4130
02:48:08,920 --> 02:48:06,800
flail and you see a lot of God's with

4131
02:48:10,600 --> 02:48:08,930
his staff that curved over and was

4132
02:48:12,190 --> 02:48:10,610
attached to the top of the spine of

4133
02:48:13,510 --> 02:48:12,200
people when they were I mean there's

4134
02:48:16,450 --> 02:48:13,520
just there's so much there once you

4135
02:48:18,370 --> 02:48:16,460
start looking down that road I if there

4136
02:48:21,100 --> 02:48:18,380
is anything there and if this is really

4137
02:48:23,950 --> 02:48:21,110
a repository then maybe there's some bit

4138
02:48:25,060 --> 02:48:23,960
of technology that addresses some aspect

4139
02:48:26,679 --> 02:48:25,070
of science that we're not supposed to

4140
02:48:27,610 --> 02:48:26,689
know about I don't think there's

4141
02:48:29,740 --> 02:48:27,620
anything in the pyramid that they

4142
02:48:31,960 --> 02:48:29,750
haven't already found in ransack frankly

4143
02:48:32,700 --> 02:48:31,970
but if I had if I got to wish and my

4144
02:48:35,230 --> 02:48:32,710
wish came true

4145
02:48:37,900 --> 02:48:35,240
clearly it's from its some technology

4146
02:48:39,850 --> 02:48:37,910
that is of benefit to us that employs

4147
02:48:45,190 --> 02:48:39,860
science that we've forgotten about yeah

4148
02:48:48,010 --> 02:48:45,200
we at at the Met in New York there's a

4149
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:48,020
they have this Stella and it's gorgeous

4150
02:48:55,270 --> 02:48:51,530
and it's it's it's like black granite

4151
02:48:57,520 --> 02:48:55,280
right and it's a it's about it's sad I'm

4152
02:48:59,290 --> 02:48:57,530
gonna say three feet tall foot wide with

4153
02:49:04,120 --> 02:48:59,300
the round top it's probably two inches

4154
02:49:06,639 --> 02:49:04,130
thick covered in this perfect perfectly

4155
02:49:08,679 --> 02:49:06,649
preserved hieroglyphics and it's

4156
02:49:11,679 --> 02:49:08,689
gorgeous you look at it the the letters

4157
02:49:14,200 --> 02:49:11,689
the hieroglyphics are maybe half inch

4158
02:49:15,639 --> 02:49:14,210
tall and there's thousands of them on

4159
02:49:17,020 --> 02:49:15,649
this thing and it's just court and you

4160
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:17,030
look and you're like man that is the

4161
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:20,570
most intricate crazy carved perfect

4162
02:49:25,420 --> 02:49:22,640
beautiful thing ever but then right next

4163
02:49:27,070 --> 02:49:25,430
to it and I'm not kidding I've got a

4164
02:49:31,300 --> 02:49:27,080
picture of it right next to it they have

4165
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:31,310
this copper needle it's about six inches

4166
02:49:39,160 --> 02:49:34,399
long and and and a piece of chicken bone

4167
02:49:41,469 --> 02:49:39,170
and literally say these were the tools

4168
02:49:44,969 --> 02:49:41,479
that were used to carve this fella and

4169
02:49:48,190 --> 02:49:44,979
they were found next to it at the same

4170
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:48,200
archaeological dig and here it is and

4171
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:50,570
you're like dude that is the biggest

4172
02:49:56,530 --> 02:49:52,010
load of crap I've ever seen in my life

4173
02:49:58,480 --> 02:49:56,540
that was not carved with that there is

4174
02:50:01,330 --> 02:49:58,490
no way now I don't know how they did it

4175
02:50:04,270 --> 02:50:01,340
but what they are trying to make us

4176
02:50:06,100 --> 02:50:04,280
believe and digest is not the truth

4177
02:50:08,980 --> 02:50:06,110
there there's just no way it was done

4178
02:50:11,410 --> 02:50:08,990
that way none oh I wanted to ask you I

4179
02:50:16,540 --> 02:50:11,420
was I wanted your response to that but

4180
02:50:19,480 --> 02:50:16,550
let's back up for a second again going

4181
02:50:22,990 --> 02:50:19,490
back to the met the met has a tomb from

4182
02:50:26,020 --> 02:50:23,000
dendara there and you've seen it right

4183
02:50:28,660 --> 02:50:26,030
in the in the big glass room in the back

4184
02:50:32,500 --> 02:50:28,670
I've never been to the met okay well

4185
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:32,510
anyway so they have a couple of these

4186
02:50:37,540 --> 02:50:34,640
walls and you can walk through these

4187
02:50:40,360 --> 02:50:37,550
tombs and and look at the hieroglyphs on

4188
02:50:42,639 --> 02:50:40,370
the wall when you walked it's so

4189
02:50:44,980 --> 02:50:42,649
beautiful but what you've been to Egypt

4190
02:50:48,190 --> 02:50:44,990
and you've been you know at these temple

4191
02:50:51,070 --> 02:50:48,200
sites when you look at the hieroglyph at

4192
02:50:53,020 --> 02:50:51,080
the hieroglyphs that are carved into the

4193
02:50:57,550 --> 02:50:53,030
wall how do you think that they got that

4194
02:51:00,100 --> 02:50:57,560
done in in granite I don't even care if

4195
02:51:02,590 --> 02:51:00,110
it was the steel age right if it was the

4196
02:51:06,580 --> 02:51:02,600
Iron Age how do you think that they got

4197
02:51:07,900 --> 02:51:06,590
that done you're an artist well there's

4198
02:51:09,610 --> 02:51:07,910
a there's a couple answers have the

4199
02:51:11,830 --> 02:51:09,620
pedantic answer is there's a couple of

4200
02:51:13,870 --> 02:51:11,840
tombs where they specifically left the

4201
02:51:15,850 --> 02:51:13,880
hieroglyphs unfinished and you can see

4202
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:15,860
all the stages that it took and reliefs

4203
02:51:19,690 --> 02:51:17,530
stuff is tough because

4204
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:19,700
relief isn't a matter of digging holes

4205
02:51:23,980 --> 02:51:21,439
in it's digging everything else away so

4206
02:51:26,620 --> 02:51:23,990
if the hieroglyphs emerge ratably

4207
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:26,630
difficult right um it was a mystery for

4208
02:51:30,639 --> 02:51:28,160
me for a long time but just recently

4209
02:51:33,610 --> 02:51:30,649
talking to geologists and you know more

4210
02:51:35,130 --> 02:51:33,620
people who were firmly rooted in science

4211
02:51:37,510 --> 02:51:35,140
but just think in a different way

4212
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:37,520
there's chemical preparations and

4213
02:51:40,719 --> 02:51:39,530
there's sound technology there's

4214
02:51:42,130 --> 02:51:40,729
something you can watch on YouTube where

4215
02:51:43,900 --> 02:51:42,140
somebody just takes this certain tone

4216
02:51:45,969 --> 02:51:43,910
and runs it through with hopper to and

4217
02:51:47,650 --> 02:51:45,979
then presses the tube up against granite

4218
02:51:49,240 --> 02:51:47,660
and the vibrations these micro

4219
02:51:51,400 --> 02:51:49,250
vibrations pretty soon you start seeing

4220
02:51:53,560 --> 02:51:51,410
this dust appear and within like an hour

4221
02:51:55,600 --> 02:51:53,570
you can actually carve this perfectly

4222
02:51:57,310 --> 02:51:55,610
round hole you've seen that in Egypt

4223
02:51:59,050 --> 02:51:57,320
there's these rocks giant rocks with

4224
02:52:00,460 --> 02:51:59,060
these perfect laser like drilled holes

4225
02:52:02,500 --> 02:52:00,470
through them they're pointing to

4226
02:52:05,170 --> 02:52:02,510
significant stars and stuff and it turns

4227
02:52:09,670 --> 02:52:05,180
out that with a fairly soft metal and

4228
02:52:13,389 --> 02:52:09,680
some sound generator you can you can do

4229
02:52:15,310 --> 02:52:13,399
that so and then also like I said before

4230
02:52:18,310 --> 02:52:15,320
the Moche indians and a bunch of other

4231
02:52:20,349 --> 02:52:18,320
peoples know about these certain also

4232
02:52:22,360 --> 02:52:20,359
we're not an astringent but like certain

4233
02:52:24,190 --> 02:52:22,370
acids that you can put together just for

4234
02:52:26,501 --> 02:52:24,200
plants and stuff that have really

4235
02:52:28,781 --> 02:52:26,511
unexpected effects on rocks

4236
02:52:30,671 --> 02:52:28,791
um but you know there's all kinds of

4237
02:52:32,111 --> 02:52:30,681
other stuff that make it sure up here

4238
02:52:34,001 --> 02:52:32,121
like somebody just showed up with a

4239
02:52:35,981 --> 02:52:34,011
lightsaber or lasers or something those

4240
02:52:38,350 --> 02:52:35,991
huge rooms you know giant rooms that

4241
02:52:39,970 --> 02:52:38,360
have a tolerance of less than I would

4242
02:52:41,711 --> 02:52:39,980
have Recorder of an inch over massive

4243
02:52:42,970 --> 02:52:41,721
periods of time they the only way you

4244
02:52:44,261 --> 02:52:42,980
can think of that they could create this

4245
02:52:46,151 --> 02:52:44,271
was if you take a late you know an

4246
02:52:47,981 --> 02:52:46,161
industrial laser cut through something

4247
02:52:49,661 --> 02:52:47,991
cuz if it was a song you know these saws

4248
02:52:51,640 --> 02:52:49,671
would have to be as big as the parish in

4249
02:52:53,711 --> 02:52:51,650
some cases but there's these perfect

4250
02:52:55,151 --> 02:52:53,721
lines of Tolerance that you would think

4251
02:52:59,651 --> 02:52:55,161
I can't imagine how they would do this

4252
02:53:02,111 --> 02:52:59,661
without lasers but you just did the

4253
02:53:03,371 --> 02:53:02,121
cleverness of people I you know even as

4254
02:53:05,350 --> 02:53:03,381
we talked about we've been greatly

4255
02:53:08,741 --> 02:53:05,360
stunted intellectually and we've been so

4256
02:53:10,511 --> 02:53:08,751
divorced from the earth I mean how

4257
02:53:11,951 --> 02:53:10,521
startling was it when somebody found

4258
02:53:13,361 --> 02:53:11,961
that there's a certain kind of mushroom

4259
02:53:14,951 --> 02:53:13,371
that would activate your pineal gland

4260
02:53:16,930 --> 02:53:14,961
and show you visions of the afterlife

4261
02:53:18,970 --> 02:53:16,940
and it's always been there just that we

4262
02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:18,980
were ignorant of it and those old

4263
02:53:22,121 --> 02:53:20,570
cultures part of the reason why it seems

4264
02:53:24,611 --> 02:53:22,131
like there's this active attempt to kill

4265
02:53:26,861 --> 02:53:24,621
all the old cultures there's just the

4266
02:53:28,511 --> 02:53:26,871
science that was incredibly simple the

4267
02:53:31,270 --> 02:53:28,521
incredibly smart and it just took

4268
02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:31,280
advantage of the amazing things that you

4269
02:53:36,881 --> 02:53:33,530
know physics does that vibration does

4270
02:53:38,171 --> 02:53:36,891
and chemicals do and maybe all of them

4271
02:53:39,611 --> 02:53:38,181
together you know I would like to think

4272
02:53:41,560 --> 02:53:39,621
that a large part of construction had to

4273
02:53:43,361 --> 02:53:41,570
do with the ingestion of magic mushrooms

4274
02:53:44,470 --> 02:53:43,371
or Blue Lotus or something that would

4275
02:53:47,051 --> 02:53:44,480
just make the whole thing so much more

4276
02:53:49,751 --> 02:53:47,061
romantic in my eyes but I don't know I

4277
02:53:50,890 --> 02:53:49,761
would love what are the people I'm

4278
02:53:52,451 --> 02:53:50,900
trying to get on the show just one of my

4279
02:53:56,951 --> 02:53:52,461
favorite people in the world Rupert

4280
02:53:58,600 --> 02:53:56,961
Sheldrake yep um I I used to be kind of

4281
02:54:01,691 --> 02:53:58,610
long story I'll tell it quickly Edgar

4282
02:54:03,491 --> 02:54:01,701
Mitchell the sixth man on the moon had

4283
02:54:05,861 --> 02:54:03,501
this experience up in space and when he

4284
02:54:08,291 --> 02:54:05,871
came home he started ions the

4285
02:54:11,231 --> 02:54:08,301
International what is it something of

4286
02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:11,241
noetic Sciences right and he was so

4287
02:54:15,121 --> 02:54:13,610
interested in non-standard states of

4288
02:54:17,020 --> 02:54:15,131
consciousness after he got back that

4289
02:54:20,081 --> 02:54:17,030
apparently there's a lot of money in

4290
02:54:22,481 --> 02:54:20,091
being an astronaut this guy channeled

4291
02:54:24,671 --> 02:54:22,491
his fairly respectable fortune into

4292
02:54:26,621 --> 02:54:24,681
creating this Institute that just funded

4293
02:54:28,631 --> 02:54:26,631
projects that studied different kinds of

4294
02:54:29,970 --> 02:54:28,641
human consciousness so but I don't know

4295
02:54:32,741 --> 02:54:29,980
if you know the actor LeVar Burton

4296
02:54:35,081 --> 02:54:32,751
beloved Lavar burn he was going to

4297
02:54:37,751 --> 02:54:35,091
contain roots yeah Geordi La Forge and

4298
02:54:39,660 --> 02:54:37,761
Star Trek yeah so levar and I drove up

4299
02:54:41,700 --> 02:54:39,670
to Esalen

4300
02:54:42,750 --> 02:54:41,710
to do this show that Tiger Mitchell is

4301
02:54:45,480 --> 02:54:42,760
paying for us called the science of

4302
02:54:47,130 --> 02:54:45,490
peace and so me and the Florida Rupert

4303
02:54:49,230 --> 02:54:47,140
Sheldrake hang out at a nestled in and I

4304
02:54:50,100 --> 02:54:49,240
had just the funnest time but what I

4305
02:54:51,960 --> 02:54:50,110
love about Sheldrake

4306
02:54:53,460 --> 02:54:51,970
and John John's been friends with Rupert

4307
02:54:55,650 --> 02:54:53,470
Sheldrake for a long time John

4308
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:55,660
originally told me this that I would

4309
02:54:58,590 --> 02:54:57,130
also turn some Akane and Sheldon who are

4310
02:55:00,390 --> 02:54:58,600
real good friends growing up yeah but

4311
02:55:02,219 --> 02:55:00,400
when you're around children anything

4312
02:55:05,250 --> 02:55:02,229
that you wonder or speculate he's just

4313
02:55:07,140 --> 02:55:05,260
got this aptitude for coming up on the

4314
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:07,150
cuff with this double-blind experiment

4315
02:55:11,969 --> 02:55:08,890
so that instead of speculating you can

4316
02:55:14,190 --> 02:55:11,979
actually start applying science to it to

4317
02:55:16,080 --> 02:55:14,200
make some definite conclusions and I

4318
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:16,090
really don't want to get off on a rant

4319
02:55:20,400 --> 02:55:18,160
about the destruction of our education

4320
02:55:22,020 --> 02:55:20,410
system but back in the days when John

4321
02:55:23,310 --> 02:55:22,030
West went to school you weren't you

4322
02:55:24,510 --> 02:55:23,320
didn't learn how to think at school you

4323
02:55:25,590 --> 02:55:24,520
learned I mean you learn how to think

4324
02:55:27,030 --> 02:55:25,600
you didn't learn what to think

4325
02:55:28,770 --> 02:55:27,040
and then very gradually and very

4326
02:55:31,230 --> 02:55:28,780
insidiously the education system has

4327
02:55:33,179 --> 02:55:31,240
been changed to a more of a parent model

4328
02:55:35,280 --> 02:55:33,189
where there's these basic functions like

4329
02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:35,290
the Trivium and logic and rhetoric and

4330
02:55:38,850 --> 02:55:37,450
stuff that is really the most important

4331
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:38,860
thing you can know and none of that is

4332
02:55:42,960 --> 02:55:40,570
actually taught in schools anymore and

4333
02:55:45,870 --> 02:55:42,970
so one of the reasons I'm trying to get

4334
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:45,880
Sheldrake on the show is just when you

4335
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:47,050
learn to think in this way that we

4336
02:55:50,580 --> 02:55:49,210
should all be thinking in you don't need

4337
02:55:52,830 --> 02:55:50,590
speculation because you can start

4338
02:55:55,350 --> 02:55:52,840
devising experiments and come to some

4339
02:55:57,450 --> 02:55:55,360
empirical conclusions and that's I think

4340
02:56:02,100 --> 02:55:57,460
the thing that Egyptologists in and I

4341
02:56:04,050 --> 02:56:02,110
hate the most because truth is

4342
02:56:05,610 --> 02:56:04,060
inevitable it's like a steamroller and

4343
02:56:06,929 --> 02:56:05,620
there's nobody that's gonna cover

4344
02:56:08,340 --> 02:56:06,939
something up that's smarter than

4345
02:56:10,429 --> 02:56:08,350
everybody else and is smarter than

4346
02:56:14,130 --> 02:56:10,439
everybody's going to be in the future so

4347
02:56:16,650 --> 02:56:14,140
everybody that hides something you can

4348
02:56:18,120 --> 02:56:16,660
pretty well expect the day's gonna come

4349
02:56:20,760 --> 02:56:18,130
that's the inevitable light of truth

4350
02:56:22,140 --> 02:56:20,770
it's gonna be made clear and it's

4351
02:56:25,530 --> 02:56:22,150
through science since you're thinking of

4352
02:56:27,330 --> 02:56:25,540
science and it's not through propagating

4353
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:27,340
conspiracy theories or opinion I mean

4354
02:56:30,780 --> 02:56:29,410
that's that's important to at least to

4355
02:56:32,640 --> 02:56:30,790
get people thinking differently but

4356
02:56:34,740 --> 02:56:32,650
sooner or later somebody is gonna come

4357
02:56:37,160 --> 02:56:34,750
up with a series of experiments that

4358
02:56:39,450 --> 02:56:37,170
produce or to prove once and for all

4359
02:56:41,190 --> 02:56:39,460
these things that we're saying and that

4360
02:56:42,360 --> 02:56:41,200
I just I don't know what the details are

4361
02:56:44,310 --> 02:56:42,370
going to be but I think that we're gonna

4362
02:56:46,290 --> 02:56:44,320
be astounded at the intelligence and

4363
02:56:47,940 --> 02:56:46,300
that the revelatory information that's

4364
02:56:49,950 --> 02:56:47,950
going to provide about and it's not

4365
02:56:51,630 --> 02:56:49,960
about a bunch of rocks it's about us who

4366
02:56:53,581 --> 02:56:51,640
are we and what were we capable of in

4367
02:56:56,520 --> 02:56:53,591
the past and I think it could be

4368
02:56:58,320 --> 02:56:56,530
embarrassing when we see how much we

4369
02:56:59,701 --> 02:56:58,330
have fallen intellectually and have been

4370
02:57:03,480 --> 02:56:59,711
sort of intellectually and spiritually

4371
02:57:06,451 --> 02:57:03,490
you know I I have to thank you we're

4372
02:57:09,631 --> 02:57:06,461
about 20 seconds over so I apologize to

4373
02:57:11,970 --> 02:57:09,641
the network before we get that far but

4374
02:57:14,820 --> 02:57:11,980
so we're gonna I'm gonna ask you to hang

4375
02:57:17,791 --> 02:57:14,830
on I'll talk to you after the credits

4376
02:57:19,951 --> 02:57:17,801
roll so just stay right there chance I

4377
02:57:21,270 --> 02:57:19,961
got to get out of here I can already see

4378
02:57:23,251 --> 02:57:21,280
the network freaking out

4379
02:57:25,831 --> 02:57:23,261
fade to black said I want to thank

4380
02:57:27,961 --> 02:57:25,841
chance Gardner an amazing conversation

4381
02:57:30,121 --> 02:57:27,971
tonight fade to black

4382
02:57:32,371 --> 02:57:30,131
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4383
02:57:34,320 --> 02:57:32,381
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4384
02:57:36,060 --> 02:57:34,330
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4385
02:57:38,581 --> 02:57:36,070
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4388
02:57:50,520 --> 02:57:42,211
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4390
02:57:53,551 --> 02:57:52,541
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4391
02:57:55,470 --> 02:57:53,561
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4392
02:57:56,911 --> 02:57:55,480
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4393
02:57:59,070 --> 02:57:56,921
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4394
02:58:00,810 --> 02:57:59,080
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4396
02:58:06,031 --> 02:58:02,830
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4397
02:58:09,121 --> 02:58:06,041
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4398
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:09,131
Alexis Brooks right here but until then

4399
02:58:19,030 --> 02:58:14,720
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4400
02:58:19,870 --> 02:58:19,040
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4401
02:58:34,070 --> 02:58:19,880
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